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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SATS PROF, Mar 24, 2017.

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    Is Millard Erickson correct that when incarnating, Christ's divine attributes became limited? (Christian Theology: 1998:751) why/why not?
     
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    His omniscience seemed to lack some information. He, while incarnate on earth, did not seem to know the timing of His second coming.
     
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    As true man, does Christ have a true human intellect as well as a divine one---as Grudem affirms?
     
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    he limited Himself to using those divine attributes, but still remained God!
     
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    What does the Bible say?

    He certainly did not know everything about everything (i.e. time of return) but He did know everything about those He encountered, such as Peter.(John 21:17).

    Bottom line we to compare the "divine attributes" ascribed to God in scripture, with the "divine attributes" ascribed in Jesus during the incarnation, It gets a little tricky when we consider Jesus before He was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Power.
     
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    He was still always God though, even while nurse feeding by Mary!
     
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    Yes both true God and true man. Does true God require sustenance? Did true Man create His own mother?
     
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    Of course. He is 100% man and 100% God in Perfect Union.
     
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    No.

    No.
     
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    I agree. But a long time member here just denied that!!

    If we are right or he is right, what does that say about our learning of the most (IMO) doctrine of our faith--Christ?!
     
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    I am not sure of that. He has a very serious communication problem. Many of his posts are unintelligible, incoherent, often to the level of gibberish. Confused
     
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    oh. That still leaves ,EG, AH Strong: Christ has but one will (ST, 1906:695).
     
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    You certainly have the gift of encouragement, don't you? :Rolleyes
     
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    They certainly were not limited when He raised the dead, stilled the storm, fed the 5,000 etc.
    However, I do have one question that maybe you can help me with. I am currently preaching through the words of our Lord from the cross. The first of these was Luke 23:34. Now previously, the Lord Jesus had forgiven men directly: Son, your sins are forgiven you' and 'But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins.....' (Mark 2:5, 10). But on the cross, He prays to the Father to forgive those who are crucifying Him.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    Martin:

    I know that is directed at TC.

    But I am torn over the division of the responsibility of teachers/pastors to teach Christ and their parishoners/students to learn Christ. He is, after all, the Center of our Faith.

    The issues re the natures in Christ are complex, and in 56 yrs (since saved at 19) I have never heard a sermon or a SS lesson devoted to them (except by me). Many scholars disagree with my view that all limitations in Christ including submission to the Father are only in His humanity. I am not surprised many are (IMO) confused. But my view is essential that of Nestorius who was poorly understood as well and who did not , in fact, divide Christ into 2 Persons. His view (The Bazaar of Heraclides 2:1; Kyle, Nestorius JETS 32/1)is the same as Chas Hodge's: a nature is an entity that acts. (ST 2:387)IMO, that is Biblically and theologically sound!
     

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    I don't see a problem with that. "Son of Man" may have as referent either the humanity or the deity (Jo 6:53, 62) of Christ.
     
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    I know it sounds harsh, but it is true. I and several others have tried to encourage him to spell correctly, proof read, and try to stay on topic, but largely to no avail.
     
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    So would you say that in Mark 2:5, the Lord Jesus is forgiving as God, and in Luke 23:34, He is asking, as Man, the Father to forgive?
     
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    On reflection, IMO, in both , He is acting in His humanity.
     
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    Yes, but this must be carefully nuanced. Clearly any human is limited in physical location, whereas God is assumed to be omnipresent; however, the 2nd person of the Trinity was sustaining the cosmos (Col 1:15; Heb 1:3) while incarnate, which to my mind means He had to have been omnipresent extra carnem, i.e. via the so-called extra calvinisticum even during His time on earth. Even if one were to claim that omnipresence is not required to sustain the cosmos (I'd say the three omni- attributes work in tandem), one must concede that omniscience is a requirement, and Jesus clearly didn't know the time of His return.

    So, though during His mode of being as word-become-flesh living on the earth his divine attributes were not limited, they were yet limited incarnationally by the veil of His flesh.
     
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