Eschatology...what's your view?

[gekko]

eschatology?

sounds like some sort of disease of the liver... lol. what is it?
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either way -- all i know is that i gotta trust in the Lord until the end and forever - and that it doesn't matter when we get raptured or what have you.

just be ready.
and not to look busy just because Jesus is comin.

God bless

 

[Dustin]

eschatology?

sounds like some sort of disease of the liver... lol. what is it?
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either way -- all i know is that i gotta trust in the Lord until the end and forever - and that it doesn't matter when we get raptured or what have you.

just be ready.
and not to look busy just because Jesus is comin.

God bless

Eschatology is the study of the end times.

 

[Aaron]

Amillennialism.

 

[Jeff Weaver]

Full-preterist, a lonely place to be in Baptist circles.

I hang out in that lonely place. :type:

 

[Chemnitz]

I just voted in the poll but I'll add my 2 cents here too, Amillinnial. While the premils are waiting for a sneaking thief, I am waiting for the Return of the King.

 

[J. Jump]

While the premils are waiting for a sneaking thief

That's a gross misrepresentation of of what pre-mils believe.

I am waiting for the Return of the King.

Even if your view is accurate, which I don't believe that it is, He is going to be your Judge first. So your better be ready to meet The Judge first :thumbsup:

 

[Chemnitz]

That's a gross misrepresentation of of what pre-mils believe.

Somebody who quietly sneaks in and snatches a whole bunch of people and the leaves without anybody seeing him sure sounds like a sneaking thief to me. I am, of course, being rather crass about their beliefs, but having my beliefs generally dismissed as not even worth discussing by the major proponents of premil theology can kinda do that to a person.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I just voted in the poll but I'll add my 2 cents here too, Amillinnial. While the premils are waiting for a sneaking thief, I am waiting for the Return of the King.

Uh, you don't seem to understand the
pretribulation rapturist pre-millinnial position. We are awaiting
the Return of the King prior to a literal/physical Tribulation
Period like Jesus said:

Mat 24:21-22 (KJV1611 Edition):
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no, nor euer shall be.
22 And except those dayes should be shortned,
there should no flesh be saued:
but for the elects sake, those dayes shall be shortned.

In the 13th century (1201-1300) some 25 million Europeans
died of the Black Plague - over 1/4 of the population in under
ten years -- the Great Tribulation Period will be worse.

In the 20th Century (1901-2000) in Germany some six
million Jews were killed - about half the Jews in the world
at the time (in 70AD only about 1/3 of the Jews were
killed by the Romans) -- the Great Tribulation Period will be worse.

Thank God we Christian elect willl be in heaven with Jesus
pleading for the Jewish elect to be spared the horror of
the Great Tribulation Period.


Needless to say, the post-tribulation only rapturists
pre-millinnialists are as Brother Chemnitz says.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Chemnitz: // Somebody who quietly sneaks in
and snatches a whole bunch of people and
the leaves without anybody seeing him sure
sounds like a sneaking thief to me.//

J.JUMP: //That's a gross misrepresentation of of what pre-mils believe.//

It sure is.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen
with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel,
and with the trumpe of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

The shout, the voice of the Archangel,
the trump of God -- it is loud enough to
wake the dead. I tell my non-hearing friends
that the first sound they hear will be the Lord
coming at the pretribualtion rapture!

Recommend one study the Simile and Metaphor at:

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/bullinger/FiguresOfSpeech.html#omission

1Th 5:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
But ye, brethren, are not in darkenesse,
that that day should ouertake you as a thiefe.

The 'as' makes it a simile NOT A LITERAL.

 

[Claudia_T]

Chemnitz: // Somebody who quietly sneaks in
and snatches a whole bunch of people and
the leaves without anybody seeing him sure
sounds like a sneaking thief to me.//

J.JUMP: //That's a gross misrepresentation of of what pre-mils believe.//

It sure is.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen
with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel,
and with the trumpe of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

The shout, the voice of the Archangel,
the trump of God -- it is loud enough to
wake the dead. I tell my non-hearing friends
that the first sound they hear will be the Lord
coming at the pretribualtion rapture!

Recommend one study the Simile and Metaphor at:

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/bullinger/FiguresOfSpeech.html#omission

1Th 5:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
But ye, brethren, are not in darkenesse,
that that day should ouertake you as a thiefe.

The 'as' makes it a simile NOT A LITERAL.

well if the dead in Christ rise first and then those who are alive and remain... both are caught up together to be with the Lord, who is left?

 

[Chemnitz]

Chemnitz: // Somebody who quietly sneaks in
and snatches a whole bunch of people and
the leaves without anybody seeing him sure
sounds like a sneaking thief to me.//

J.JUMP: //That's a gross misrepresentation of of what pre-mils believe.//

It sure is.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen
with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel,
and with the trumpe of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

The shout, the voice of the Archangel,
the trump of God -- it is loud enough to
wake the dead. I tell my non-hearing friends
that the first sound they hear will be the Lord
coming at the pretribualtion rapture!

Recommend one study the Simile and Metaphor at:

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/bullinger/FiguresOfSpeech.html#omission

1Th 5:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
But ye, brethren, are not in darkenesse,
that that day should ouertake you as a thiefe.

The 'as' makes it a simile NOT A LITERAL.

I understand the verse well enough and the use of the metaphor 'thief', but I was not basing my comments on the verse. I was basing the comment on all of the literature I have read concerning premil rapture which basically state people are going to disappear, that it will happen quietly, and that people will not see Jesus here on earth. Not exactly the image of a returning King being anounced by trumpets and loud shouts is it.

 

[dispen4ever]

Become a classic dispensationalist. Then it will all clear up for you -- all.

:laugh:

 

[BobRyan]

well if the dead in Christ rise first and then those who are alive and remain... both are caught up together to be with the Lord, who is left?

The wicked.

And so Rev 19 says "The REST were DESTROYED by the sword that comes from His mouth"

Mankind wiped out "I looked and behold there was NO MAN".

In Christ,

Bob

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Specifically, Amil, partial preterist.

In general, Pro-mil.

 

[Dustin]

By and large I figured out that most baptists are premill, and most Reformed/Presbys are post or Amill. Idealist, partial preterist. A lot of non-premill baptists are calvinists. That goes with what I've been thinking, eschatology is influenced by your other theology.

 

[Tom Butler]

Historical Pre-mil. Like the A-mils, I too am looking for the return of the King.

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

Become a classic dispensationalist. Then it will all clear up for you -- all.

:laugh:

Been there, done that.

 

[BobRyan]

By and large I figured out that most baptists are premill, and most Reformed/Presbys are post or Amill. Idealist, partial preterist. A lot of non-premill baptists are calvinists. That goes with what I've been thinking, eschatology is influenced by your other theology.

non-Premill Baptists?

 

[BobRyan]

Rev 19 - 2nd coming
Rev 20 - 1000 years

impossible to get that sequence wrong. Pre-mill

Matt 24 "AFTER the Tribulation of those days..." and then comes the description of the appearing of Christ in Matt 24. So that is post-trib.

Impossible to see that sequence wrong. But easy to twist it around no matter what you are seeing in the text.

But here is the real question --

Why does God warn the saints repeatedly of the problem of "deception" through wonders and miracles by demons -- at the end of time -- if the saints are gone!!???

Rev 13
13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.
14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.

2Thess 2
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

Matt 24
21 For then there will be a great tribulation[/b], such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
22 ""Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.


23 "" Then if anyone says to you, "Behold, here is the Christ[/b],' or " There He is,' do not believe him.
24 ""For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 ""Behold, I have told you in advance.




1Thess 5
2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

3While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.

4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Postrib, Amill, Idealist.

Early in my Christian life, I was pretrib, premill, literal. Because I attend an independent fundamental baptist(IFB) church, itself teaching pretrib, premill, and literal. Because it is heavily dispensationalism. I thought IFB teaching the truth from the Bible. Because the word- 'fundamental' means strong stand, and sound doctrines. But, later in the next years. I realized there are lot of holes within IFB's doctrines. Because they are human. Their understanding the Bible is limited. Most of IFB people believe in dispensationalism merges with premill and pretrib, because they learned from their own pastor, read IFB's books like as Sword of the Lord books(Dr. Rice, Dr. Hutson, etc.)

BobRyan, you are postrib, premill. You saying 1000 years of Revelation 21 is literal. I was in your same shoe before.

I have question for you of 2 Peter 3:4-13. Does this passage telling us, this old planet earth shall be burned with fire - TWICE or two times in the future??? Does this passage telling us, this planet earth shall be recreated new - TWICE or two times in the future????.

Please think about it.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!