Eve -- How could she be guilty?

[skypair]

In what way was Adam not deceived?

He ate on purpose in order to save Eve.

skypair

 

[Crabtownboy]

He ate on purpose in order to save Eve.

skypair

I seriously doubt that. Guess we will just have to ask him in heaven.

 

[Palatka51]

In what way was Adam not deceived?

Thinking it a strange sentence has nothing to say that I do not believe in supernatural acts.

Adam reacted according to the flesh, in that he would die with her and therefore death reigned from Adam to Christ. Had he reacted according to the Spirit, life would have reigned. Wasn't it God who said,

Genesis 6:3
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: ?

Eve was deceived and Adam ate because he did not want to live without her. She was his flesh and he absolutely loved her and so, reacted accordingly.

 

[Joe]

Adam first calls her woman, and then after the fall, he names her Eve. I think in between the verses some time has passed, and he started bonding to her.

He took responsibility for her by admitting the truth to God, that they ate the fruit. Yet he still seemed to be weary of defending her and taking complete responsibility for the situation (as you can imagine, it means death).

He tells God "the woman you gave me to God, as if to blame God to say if God hadn't supplied THIS woman it wouldn't have happened and in the same breath he says she gave me the fruit to eat. So he then blames Eve a little. Yet he tells the truth and stands by her though he was likely a little panicked.

Gen 3:12
Then the man said "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I ate".

 

[Joe]

One odd concept is a piece of fruit is definined as giving the knowledge of good and evil. It uses an example of Adam and Eve being unashamed they were unclothed yet after eating the fruit, it states Adam is ashamed so they hid themselves from the Lord upon hearing his footsteps. Eve apparently wasn't ashamed or it would read differently.

It makes no sense he would be ashamed to be unclothed, there is no one there except the Lord. He has seen them unclothed many times.

Not to mention they live in a garden, isolated from an evil world which does not exist yet. Unless the animals suddenly became vicious due to the fall (my belief) there has been no evil to speak of except the conversation Eve had with the Serpent. Later she would beget Cain so they would experience evil.

There is no evil to know, even after eating the fruit. Giving an example of being ashamed of being unclothed doesn't equal evil imo. It's preference to be clothed when it is not needed.

We understand evil through experiences, in which they were limited being so isolated in the garden amongst only other animals.


[I]Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons

Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

 

[donnA]

Eve was deceived and Adam ate because he did not want to live without her. She was his flesh and he absolutely loved her and so, reacted accordingly.

And of course you can prove this theory scripturally.

 

[donnA]

That has always seemed a strange sentence to me as it seems that if Adam had not been deceived he would not have eaten of the fruit. Now maybe that gives credibility to the old line, "It took Satan to fool Eve, but only Eve to fool Adam." To me that sentence has always looked like a line a man would write in attempting to make men look better.

Then your denying the bible is the inspired word of God.

 

[Palatka51]

One odd concept is a piece of fruit is definined as giving the knowledge of good and evil. It uses an example of Adam and Eve being unashamed they were unclothed yet after eating the fruit, it states Adam is ashamed so they hid themselves from the Lord upon hearing his footsteps. Eve apparently wasn't ashamed or it would read differently.

It makes no sense he would be ashamed to be unclothed, there is no one there except the Lord. He has seen them unclothed many times.

Not to mention they live in a garden, isolated from an evil world which does not exist yet. Unless the animals suddenly became vicious due to the fall (my belief) there has been no evil to speak of except the conversation Eve had with the Serpent. Later she would beget Cain so they would experience evil.

There is no evil to know, even after eating the fruit. Giving an example of being ashamed of being unclothed doesn't equal evil imo. It's preference to be clothed when it is not needed.

We understand evil through experiences, in which they were limited being so isolated in the garden amongst only other animals.


[I]Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons

Genesis 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

It was not the fruit that was sin. It was the fact that God told Adam not to eat of it. When he ate it then Adam's sin was before God and Adam knew it and felt naked. The fig leaf is his feeble attempt to cover and hide. Again all reactions of Adam is the result of his flesh.

 

[Palatka51]

And of course you can prove this theory scripturally.

Come on DonnA. Look at what Scripture tells us husbands how we are to treat our wives.

Ephesians 5:25-28
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Is not Paul telling us to give ourselves for our wives? God gave Adam that opportunity to do the same as Christ. He did not. He died with her and not for her. Had Christ gave into temptation when Satan tempted Him, He too would have died with all of mankind. He was tempted just as we are but being born of the Spirit He did not react according to the flesh as did Adam. He being innocent of sin gave Himself for the Church even while we are in that sin. Therefore life now reigns in the life of the believer in Christ.

Again Adam had the same opportunity to do the same by remaining innocent and eat of the Tree of Life. This is the choice that God laid out for him. He refused it and died with Eve.

 

[donnA]

Come on DonnA. Look at what Scripture tells us husbands how we are to treat our wives.

Ephesians 5:25-28
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Is not Paul telling us to give ourselves for our wives? God gave Adam that opportunity to do the same as Christ. He did not. He died with her and not for her. Had Christ gave into temptation when Satan tempted Him, He too would have died with all of mankind. He was tempted just as we are but being born of the Spirit He did not react according to the flesh as did Adam. He being innocent of sin gave Himself for the Church even while we are in that sin. Therefore life now reigns in the life of the believer in Christ.

Again Adam had the same opportunity to do the same by remaining innocent and eat of the Tree of Life. This is the choice that God laid out for him. He refused it and died with Eve.

How husbands are supose to treat their wives does not prove your point, your stretching it, out of shape.
Again, God is the originator of sin if we are to beleive you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Then your denying the bible is the inspired word of God.

Not at all, to think a sentence is strange does not mean disbelief.

Also, the line about it only took Eve to fool Adam is an attempt at a bit of humor. Lighten up and laugh.:laugh: Laughter is good for your .... and my health. :laugh:

 

[donnA]

alright.....

 

[Cutter]

Eve knew because Adam told her. And just like every word that is not a direct revelation from God she received the word second hand. Even so, that did not exempt her from guilt. Adam willfully ate of the tree because he portrayed the work Christ would later do on behalf of His bride. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh and tasted death so that you and I may be delivered. He died so that we might live. When Eve ate and Adam had not yet eaten there was a division between them. In order for them to bear the seed that would eventually deliver them, Adam had to partake of the fruit. What she had done could not be undone, therefore he humbled himself and became like her to save her. The first Adam mirroring the second Adam.
That's why the Bible says Eve was deceived and Adam wasn't. Because he willfully became like her to save her.

 

[webdog]

Would Eve had been found guilty if Adam had not ate it?

Absolutely, as she violated God's command (sin).

 

[Palatka51]

Absolutely, as she violated God's command (sin).

If that is the case then do you think that Adam might have stood in place for his wife? I don't know about most men but I know what I would do. I'm going to stand in for my wife. Or at least die trying to get God to reverse His sentence on her.

 

[webdog]

If that is the case then do you think that Adam might have stood in place for his wife? I don't know about most men but I know what I would do. I'm going to stand in for my wife. Or at least die trying to get God to reverse His sentence on her.

...and that would be sin, too.

 

[Joe]

It was not the fruit that was sin. It was the fact that God told Adam not to eat of it. When he ate it then Adam's sin was before God and Adam knew it and felt naked. The fig leaf is his feeble attempt to cover and hide. Again all reactions of Adam is the result of his flesh.

Ok, thanks