Every wrong view.

[37818]

The reason is the math is wrong.

"In my view is between 27 AD to 28 AD is IN, not after the 15th year 28 AD."

 

[JonC]

I do not believe I do. Am I wrong on my understanding of the some of the history may be my problem.
Crucifixion being on such and such day and being wrong on it doesn't mean one rejects Biblical history.
Mark 15:42, being Friday evening or Thursday evening. One view being correct, the the other would be wrong. It is not rejecting Biblical history.

Choosing an incorrect date doesn't mean you reject Biblical History any more than choosing a correct date means you accept Biblical History. I agree.

The reason I believe you reject Biblical History is that when presented with Biblical History you reject it because it is not in the Bible.


How do we know that the Jews dismissed some requirements of the Passover as stated in Exodus, like the use of a priest? Because we have 1st century accounts of rabbis stating that this is not in keeping with Exodus.

How do we know that in the 1st century AD 1 Nisan was based on observation? Because we have 1st century accounts of their requirements, accounts of several times Nisan began late due to a lack of visual observation or a lack of agreement among the Sanhedrin.

How do we know that the Galilean Jews killed the Passover on the afternoon before sunset starting 14 Nisan? Because there are 1st century documents stating this and defending the practice.


Those are very important Biblical history facts one must know before they try to set a date for the crucifixion.

You have, if I understand correctly, rejected all of those important facts.

 

[JonC]

"In my view is between 27 AD to 28 AD is IN, not after the 15th year 28 AD."

I understand that. My comment is that view belongs only to you because the calculations are wrong.

Those who place the crucifixion in 30 AD assume there must have been a joint reign. Nobody could possibly believe the historical date (Sep 14 AD) for Tiberius starting his reign and come up with your conclusion.

Historically Tiberius reigned for 22 years, until his death in 37 AD.

By your counting he reigned 23 years. Find that in any history.

Any date between Sep 14 AD to Sep 15 AD would be in his 1st year.

 

[37818]

Any date between Sep 14 AD to Sep 15 AD would be in his 1st year.

Where 29 AD would be the 15 Year.

 

[JonC]

Where 29 AD would be the 15 Year.

"In," the 1st year of his reign is Sep 14 AD - Sep 15 AD.

"In" the 15th year of his reign would be between Sep 28 AD - Sep 29 AD.

For example, November 12, 14 AD and March 1, 15 AD are both in the 1st year of his reign.

October 1, 28 AD and March 1, 29 AD are in the 15th year of his reign.

This is a 15 year period (180 months).

The next day (17 Sep 29 AD) would start the 16th year.

Once you hit 15 years completed you are "in" the 16th year.

A child is born. He is 1 day old. He is "in" his 1st year of life (excluding pre-born time).

A student in his 1st year of college will take final exams at the end of the 1st year.

Biden took office Jan 2021.

August 20, 2024 is in the 4th year of his presidency.

A newly enlisted soldier is in his 1st year of service.

 

[37818]

"In," the 1st year of his reign is Sep 14 AD - Sep 15 AD.

15 AD being counted as year 1. So 29 AD then being counted as year 15.

 

[JonC]

15 AD being counted as year 1. So 29 AD then being counted as year 15.

September 15 AD is the end of year 1 of his reign.

"In" the 15th year of his reign would be any date falling within that year period (any date between Sep 28 AD and Sep 29 AD).

Looking at commentaries, most seem to simply list 29 AD, but it would include a few months of 28 AD.

 

[37818]

Looking at commentaries, most seem to simply list 29 AD, but it would include a few months of 28 AD.

Those few are interpreting between 28 AD to 29 AD to be in the 15th year. [ Where 14 AD + 15 = 29 AD. ] 29 AD is counted being year 15.

 

[JonC]

Those few are interpreting between 28 AD to 29 AD to be in the 15th year. [ Where 14 AD + 15 = 29 AD. ] 29 AD is counted being year 15.

That is because Sept 29 AD he completed his 15th year.

August 29 AD is "in" his 15th year but October 29 AD is "in" his 16th year.

I'd count it as 29 AD as well, if I'm giving a year rather than the span of his 15th year. The reason is his 15th year was completed in 29 AD.

BUT his 15th year is not the entire year of 29 AD.

14 + 15 is 29, but you have to remember that the 15 being added is 15 completed years (since his reign did not start in January 14 AD we have to subtract those months, and then year 16 starts).

 

[37818]

14 + 15 is 29, but you have to remember that the 15 being added is 15 completed years (since his reign did not start in January 14 AD we have to subtract those months, and then year 16 starts).

Started September 17 or 18 of 14 AD.

 

[JonC]

Started September 17 or 18 of 14 AD.

Depends on how you look at it.

In reality Tiberius' reign started August 19, 14 AD when Augustus died as Tiberius had already been named to be Augustus' successor. He had the power of emperor from that time until his death.

But Tiberius, already ruling, did not allow the Senate to name him emperor for about a month. (It was politics, he had referred to the Senate as "men fit to be slaves" and didnt want it to appear that his power was granted by the Senate).

I am not sure where people get 18 Sep 14 AD, unless they are looking at his first full day after the Senate declared him emperor.

 

[37818]

Depends on how you look at it.

In reality Tiberius' reign started August 19, 14 AD when Augustus died as Tiberius had already been named to be Augustus' successor. He had the power of emperor from that time until his death.

But Tiberius, already ruling, did not allow the Senate to name him emperor for about a month. (It was politics, he had referred to the Senate as "men fit to be slaves" and didnt want it to appear that his power was granted by the Senate).

I am not sure where people get 18 Sep 14 AD, unless they are looking at his first full day after the Senate declared him emperor.

The following video mentions both September 17th and the 18th. It is not clear in the video why it would be the 18th.

Video is about 20 minutes.

 

[JonC]

The following video mentions both September 17th and the 18th. It is not clear in the video why it would be the 18th.

Video is about 20 minutes.

Don't know why. We have the actual dates.

 

[percho]

Nowhere in God's Word does it say how they observed the Passover in the 1st century. I absolutely agree.

For that we have to read 1st century accounts.

Another departure from tge Law is the lack of a priest when families sacrificed.


Jesus could not have eaten the Sadducee's Passover. But He could the Galilean Passover.

The reason is they would have been killing the Passover 24 hours before. They observed the evening at the start of Nisan 14 as Passover while the Temple observed the evening at the end as Passover.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

Would you say what the Galilean's were doing was the commandment of God or men, relative to Lev 23:5,6?

So you think the Son of God followed the commandments of the men of Galilee ?