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Extension Doctoral programs: Ph.D. or D.Min.?

Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by El_Guero, Oct 1, 2005.

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  1. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Brothers,

    As I see the lines between the doctoral programs blurring, are there 'solid' programs out there that emphasize Church Planting, leadership, &/or revival?

    Truthfully, I would rather the emphasis be upon the emphasis. I can always get a PhD in Math, Science or languages if I just want a Dr. with my name ...
     
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    EG,

    I am confused (as usual): Are you asking a question or making a statement? I cannot tell? Please clarify.

    sdg!

    rd
     
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    "are there 'solid' programs out there that emphasize Church Planting, leadership, &/or revival?"

    I could make a statement ... ;)

    G
     
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  4. Broadus

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    Southern has an extension Ed.D. in Leadership. Candidates begin the program in a cohort and progress through the program together. I think it utilizes the internet.

    A PhD focusing upon revival would probably be doing the PhD in church history, but these are almost always on campus.

    Church planting would doubtlessly be a DMin, and I would not be surprised if several seminaries had such a focus, but I've never checked it out. DMin's by their nature are typically external with a couple of weeks a year on campus, though some are completely external.

    Bill
     
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    Bill thanks!
     
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    I did notice one criteria that I would consider important: The D. Min. is supposed to be one year of classes ... verses 2 years of classes ...

    The quicker that I get out the better!
     
    #6 El_Guero, Oct 1, 2005
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    If you want to teach in seminary, don't get the D.Min.

    If you want to work in the churches, the D.Min. will do just fine.
     
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    EG,

    But make sure that the quicker provides what you really want. Are you now in an MDiv program, or have you completed that?

    Bill
     
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    I am finishing my MDiv. And while I do understand about the differences of matching purpose with the degree, I do not want a 48 hour DMin when there are 36 hour PhD's ... UNLESS I have to to get what I need for church planting ...
     
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    Wouldn't the Ph.D. dissertation outweigh the difference in hours?
     
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    Not when the project is supposed to be equivelent in general scope ...
     
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    What school considers the Ph.D. dissertation to be equivalent to the DMin project????

    I've always heard of the DMin project as being inferior to the Ph.D. dissertation because the dissertation is supposed to be a significant contribution to the field.
     
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    Another thing you must consider is that often DMin programs require 3 years post-MDiv ministry.
     
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    I am curious about that as well ... ATS does not require many things that I am seeing schools require ...
     
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    OOOOPsss

    ATS does require 3 years experience (but the seminary can wave this requirement for 10% of the students).
     
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    Regent University has an external Ph.D. in Renewal (emphasis is on the role of the Holy Spirit).

    Gordon-Conwell has a D.Min. in Revival and Reform which I am presently in.
     
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    Even though a DMin requires between 30-40 credits, roughly a year of classes, I've never heard of an MDiv you can actually finish in a year. Mine and a many of the programs I looked into take a minimum of 3 years to complete.
     
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    Not if it is accredited. Most MDivs claim 3 years, but are 4 year programs.

    The quicker I can get out, plant churches, and lead His people - the better!
     
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    Even though a DMin requires between 30-40 credits, roughly a year of classes, I've never heard of an MDiv you can actually finish in a year. Mine and a many of the programs I looked into take a minimum of 3 years to complete. </font>[/QUOTE]OOPS! I should proofread better. What I meant to say was that I never heard of anyone finishing a DMin in one year even though the credit hours are a year's worth of work typically. The classes are tougher and are generally part-time programs so students can work. One's workplace is the context for your projects.
    BTW I know a lot of people who finish their MDivs in 3 years. If you attend seminary full-time you can often do that.
     
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    WHERE?

    That is like too much! It could only be easier if they just let me buy it!

    ;)
     
    #20 El_Guero, Oct 2, 2005
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