Scott Downey
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It means a certainty of salvation hebrews 9:28
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37818
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Hebrews 9:28 is yet future. The salvation of Romans 10:13 is available today.
Scott Downey
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yes, but as you say, salvation is spoken of both ways in scripture, that was my point.
1 Peter 1:5
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:9
receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:10
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
Hebrews 3, is also clear about our salvation, if we continue and do not apostatize.
. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
He is only indwelling believers, not unbelievers, and GOD built all things including
his house who you are. IF God builds the house, then it will stand.
Those who depart the faith, God did not build their house as His habitation.
The PROOF of that is shown by those who endure to the end in faith.
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37818
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-Romans 5:5-11, ". . . And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. . . . "
There is the salvation of the now saved (Ephesians 2:8) and the redemption 1 John 3:2, Hebrews 9:28, Romans 8:23 etc.
Brightfame52
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Faith , Blessings of His Death !
The Blessings of Christ death for those He did die for and in behalf of, will cause them to believe in Him, For believing in Christ is given to them He died for, on His Behalf Phil 1:29. God makes them believe as promised here Zep 3:12
12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord.
And Romans 15:12
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Or in Him shall the gentiles seek as in Faith. The word Trust is the same word hope as in Heb 11:1,6
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.44
The Blessings of Christ death for those He did die for and in behalf of, will cause them to believe in Him, For believing in Christ is given to them He died for, on His Behalf Phil 1:29. God makes them believe as promised here Zep 3:12
12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord.
And Romans 15:12
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Or in Him shall the gentiles seek as in Faith. The word Trust is the same word hope as in Heb 11:1,6
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.44
Brightfame52
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Its by Christ Jesus that some believe in God 1 Pet 1:21
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Brightfame52
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Faith in God and Christ is a matter of Mercy !
Rom 11:32
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Faith in God and Christ is a matter of Mercy , in other words, in order to become a believer in Christ for Salvation, we must obtain Mercy, or God must have Mercy on us. Paul says 1 Tim 12-13
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Salvation is undeserved, Faith in Christ is undeserved, and God's Mercy finds us in unbelief or disobedience and ignorance !
Paul is saying nothing different than what he wrote here to the Romans Rom 11:30-32
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy[To believe] through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy[To believe].
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
This shows us actually that instead of of faith or believing being conditions one must meet to become saved or to get mercy, instead being in unbelief and disobedience is the condition one must be in to obtain mercy that saves us. That we are saved by Mercy is Taught here Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Many adversaries of the Truth will say that God does not save unbelievers, but in fact what has been just testified to in scripture proves, evidences that He does, for if He did not, there would be no need of His Mercy, and there would never be any believers, for believers are unbelievers saved by God's Mercy ! 3
Rom 11:32
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Faith in God and Christ is a matter of Mercy , in other words, in order to become a believer in Christ for Salvation, we must obtain Mercy, or God must have Mercy on us. Paul says 1 Tim 12-13
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Salvation is undeserved, Faith in Christ is undeserved, and God's Mercy finds us in unbelief or disobedience and ignorance !
Paul is saying nothing different than what he wrote here to the Romans Rom 11:30-32
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy[To believe] through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy[To believe].
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
This shows us actually that instead of of faith or believing being conditions one must meet to become saved or to get mercy, instead being in unbelief and disobedience is the condition one must be in to obtain mercy that saves us. That we are saved by Mercy is Taught here Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Many adversaries of the Truth will say that God does not save unbelievers, but in fact what has been just testified to in scripture proves, evidences that He does, for if He did not, there would be no need of His Mercy, and there would never be any believers, for believers are unbelievers saved by God's Mercy ! 3
Brightfame52
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Eph 2:8
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Religionists, no matter what, believe that Salvation is of themselves. However, that Faith is not of man that believeth, but by the Grace and Power of God, can not be more plainer than here written in Rom 11:18-20
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
The standing by Faith is not anything we do, so it excludes boasting, as something man does as a condition to get saved ! Faith is part of the grafting in procedure that God does. Yes Vs 18 above excludes boasting for faith as well as Eph 2:9
The only way one can stand by faith is by God's Ability, not by the flesh. The word stand in Vs 20 is the greek word histēmi:
to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
So they were caused or made to stand by Faith !
The same word is used here Rom 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
God is able and does enable according to His Purpose, those He so desires to stand by Faith as in Rom 11:20
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
That should humble us, but it doesn't, because religionists erroneously believe the faith they stand by is of themselves, which makes them boasters !
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Religionists, no matter what, believe that Salvation is of themselves. However, that Faith is not of man that believeth, but by the Grace and Power of God, can not be more plainer than here written in Rom 11:18-20
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
The standing by Faith is not anything we do, so it excludes boasting, as something man does as a condition to get saved ! Faith is part of the grafting in procedure that God does. Yes Vs 18 above excludes boasting for faith as well as Eph 2:9
The only way one can stand by faith is by God's Ability, not by the flesh. The word stand in Vs 20 is the greek word histēmi:
to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
So they were caused or made to stand by Faith !
The same word is used here Rom 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
God is able and does enable according to His Purpose, those He so desires to stand by Faith as in Rom 11:20
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
That should humble us, but it doesn't, because religionists erroneously believe the faith they stand by is of themselves, which makes them boasters !