FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT.

[Alex2165]

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT.

Many Christians confused and do not completely understand that the Holy Spirit really means. But certain places of Bible can help to clarify this issue.

Isaiah 57.15
15."Thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabit eternity, Whose name is Holy: 'I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with those who are contrite (sorry) and humble in spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite."

There is no question that the Father GOD is the most Holy Spirit Who has no beginning and no end. This everlasting Holy Spirit created another Holy Spirit out of His Holy Spirit - Jesus Christ Who has beginning but not end. Jesus Christ became the Son of GOD, and He is also Holy Spirit because He is created from the Holy Spirit of GOD Father.

Because Jesus Christ has identical Holy Spirit from His Holy Father, Jesus became the perfect Holy Image of His Holy Father. From now on, the Father and the Son SHARE One Holy Spirit. Sharing Holy Spirit also indicated in Hebrews 12.10, but among humans.

As Jesus Christ declared that His Father and He are One, because They SHARE One Holy Spirit, this means that They Are One GOD and One Holy Spirit. But the Father have control over His Son, and much higher than His Son as GOD (John 14.28) (Ephesians 4.15-16).

In this case we can see two GOD'S, the Father and the Son. But do not be confuse, because when Bible talks about Holy Spirit and presented numerous instances mentioned Holt Spirit Who performed some actions and deeds, in this case the Holy Spirit presented and acts as One GOD, this means the Holy Spirit of Father and His Son Jesus Christ act as One Holy Spirit, They Are Not divided in Holy Spirit, "Father and I are One."

Jesus are not only the Holy Spirit in Heaven, He is also the Holy Spirit and on Earth, because He was born from the Holy Spirit of His Heavenly Father, because of it He became Holy in flesh. The Holy Spirit revealed itself in Christ though His miracles that only Holy Spirit of GOD can do.

There is no a third holy spirit, there is no a third holy person, or a third god, ONLT TWO GODS WHO SHARE ONE HOLY SPIRIT. The Trinity of GOD can be explain like this: The Holy Father, the Holy Son, and THEIR Holy Spirit, and nobody else.

If you read, "In the name of Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit," it means in the name of Father, Jesus, and THEIR Holy Spirit. Every place in the Bible there indicated all Three, the last one always is THEIR Holy Spirit.

There is no other holy spirit exists, ONLY ONE, of the Father and of His Son.


What make GOD Holy? His pure LOVE and His RIGHTEOUS qualities of His character and personality make Him Holy.

GOD IS HOLY BY HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Isaiah 5.16
16."But the Lord of hosts is exulted by justice, and the Holy GOD shows Himself Holy by righteousness."

So we can also assume that our righteousness can make us also holy, despite the fact that our righteousness far inferior to the righteousness of GOD, and so our holiness of course will be less than Holiness of GOD, we still can be righteous and holy as humanly possible in the eyes of the Lord.

Holiness and Righteousness of GOD remain on the highest level, the human righteousness and holiness remain on a human level and of course much lower. If our righteousness exceeds the "righteousness" of ungodly people, in this case we can be considered holy if we compare our righteousness to ungodliness of other people.

Be holy because I Am Holy: (Leviticus 11.44-45, 19.2, 20.7.26, 21.6-8) (Deuteronomy 7.6, 14.2.21, 26.19) (2Chronicles 23.6, 31.18) (Ezra 8.28) (Isaiah 4.3) (1Peter 1.15-16).


Some folks think that our body is actually our spirit, which very wrong thinking. Below presented one of many verses of the Bible that disproves such false theory.

John 6.63
63."It the Spirit that gives life, THE FLESH IS USELSESS. The Words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and life."

 

[Alofa Atu]

There are Three Persons/Beings, not Two.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
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Take into account that the Bible (KJB) speaks of Three Persons/Beings, in the family JEHOVAH Elohiym, the 'Trio',

[A.] The Person/Being of JEHOVAH the Father (Genesis 1:3, "God said"), the Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9,13,22),

[B.] The Person/Being of the Son (Genesis 1:7, "God made"; John 5:19), aka Jesus JEHOVAH (H3444 H3068; Genesis 49:18; Exodus 14:13; 2 Chronicles 20:17; Jonah 2:9; Psalms 119:174; the very "את" - Aleph (Alpha) and Tav (Omega) in Genesis 1:1), and

[C.] The Person/Being of the Holy Spirit/Ghost of JEHOVAH (Genesis 1:2,4, "God saw" (the eternal Witness); Isaiah 48:16; John 14:16).​

A person might think of it (in an earthly mindset), as Family "Smith", with Father Smith, Smith Jr. and Uncle Smith. Three persons/beings. Yet, in the Family JEHOVAH, they are never at odds with one another, and always in perfect harmony, a "chord" (as in musical), a "trio" (like a "duo", "quartet") that all speak the same thing, and are in full agreement (1 John 5:8 KJB, "agree in one", which is the real definition of vs 7, "are one", as like unto Husband & Wife, united by God, or like the Bible itself, many voices, yet saying the same thing, or the Gospels, 4 witnesses, that agree together).

 

[Alex2165]

There are Three Persons/Beings, not Two.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
​

Take into account that the Bible (KJB) speaks of Three Persons/Beings, in the family JEHOVAH Elohiym, the 'Trio',

[A.] The Person/Being of JEHOVAH the Father (Genesis 1:3, "God said"), the Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9,13,22),

[B.] The Person/Being of the Son (Genesis 1:7, "God made"; John 5:19), aka Jesus JEHOVAH (H3444 H3068; Genesis 49:18; Exodus 14:13; 2 Chronicles 20:17; Jonah 2:9; Psalms 119:174; the very "את" - Aleph (Alpha) and Tav (Omega) in Genesis 1:1), and

[C.] The Person/Being of the Holy Spirit/Ghost of JEHOVAH (Genesis 1:2,4, "God saw" (the eternal Witness); Isaiah 48:16; John 14:16).​

A person might think of it (in an earthly mindset), as Family "Smith", with Father Smith, Smith Jr. and Uncle Smith. Three persons/beings. Yet, in the Family JEHOVAH, they are never at odds with one another, and always in perfect harmony, a "chord" (as in musical), a "trio" (like a "duo", "quartet") that all speak the same thing, and are in full agreement (1 John 5:8 KJB, "agree in one", which is the real definition of vs 7, "are one", as like unto Husband & Wife, united by God, or like the Bible itself, many voices, yet saying the same thing, or the Gospels, 4 witnesses, that agree together).

You have to look at the entire context Alofa.

1John 5.6-8
6. This is the One Who came by WATER and BLOOD - Jesus Christ, not with the WATER only, but with the WATER and with BLOOD. (KSB) (NRSV) (ESV) (NIV).

"ONE" - Jesus Christ Who came on Earth by Water of Baptism and the Blood of His death. There is only One Holy Spirit here, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, water and blood are not included and are not considered as HOLY SPIRITS.


6. GNB: "Jesus Christ is the One Who came with the water of His Baptism and the blood of His death, He came not only with water, but with both the water and the blood..."

The Good News Bible (GNB) made an excellent translation of this verse in its own way, which is perfectly explains the meaning of this passage. Word "ONE" definitely means only ONE HOLY SPIRIT of Jesus Christ, and nothing else.


7.And it is the Spirit Who bears Witness, because the Spirit is the Truth. (KSB) (GNB)

This text signifies ONE HOLY Spirit Who bears as Witness of Himself, while two other witnesses are only water of Baptism and the Blood of Christ, both are holy physical entities but not Holy Spirits.


7. Gideons: "For there are three who bear witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word (Word is Christ - John 1.1-2.14), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are ONE."

In this sentence mentioned all three, the Holy Father, the Holy Word - the Holy Son of GOD, and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT, and at the end perfect conclusion - "THESE THREE ARE ONE," means One Holy Spirit.


8.For there a three that bear Witness ("Witness on Earth" Gideons): The Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and there three are in agreement. (KSB) (GNB) (NRSV) (Gideons) (ESV) (NIV)

This verse mirrors the verse 6, that all three: the HOLY SPIRIT OF JESUS, the Water of His Baptism, and the Blood of His Death are all in agreement as witnesses of Jesus Christ, the HOLY SPIRIT.


So the water and the blood are not HOLY SPIRITS, but ordinary holy physical substances belonging to Christ.


And again, you took the words out of its context. Why you stop short to include verses 17 and 18?

John 14.16-18
16.And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper ("Advocate" NRSV, "Comforter" KJV), that He may be with you forever, (KSB)

Here Jesus talking about Himself as a Comforter. Most likely He is talking here about His second coming.

17.that is the Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be with you.

18.I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you.

Who is the Spirit of Truth Alofa? Is not the Jesus Christ the HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH Who numerous times mentioned in the NT? Where you can see here a "third holy spirit."?

Concerning the names of GOD you presented, GOD have many different names in the Jewish Torah: Adonay, Hashem, Elohim, and more. All names in the Torah signify ONE Holy Spirit of GOD all the time, and no one else.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Who is the Spirit of Truth Alofa?

The Holy Ghost, the Third Person/Being, as representative of Jesus. How does Jesus come to us? Not in Person (as that would be the second coming), but He comes to us by the Third Person/Being the Holy Ghost.

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​

Just as the Father sent Jesus in His (the Father's name), so too, the Son sends (from the Father) the Holy Ghost in His stead.

Joh_5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.​

The same error you teach is also found sweeping the ranks of SDA's even as I write, and I have a good dear friend that was swept up in it, and I warned him what would happen, and as I prophesied it took place. He was removed from his VP office in ministry, and then cast out of the other place he went to, and even out of his own church which disfellowshipped him after they plead with him, and I plead with him over and over and prayed hard and shown him what God gave to me to help him - but even now he refuses to listen. It is a denial of the Holy Ghost's Personhood/Being. You are in serious danger.

 

[Alex2165]

The Holy Ghost, the Third Person/Being, as representative of Jesus. How does Jesus come to us? Not in Person (as that would be the second coming), but He comes to us by the Third Person/Being the Holy Ghost.

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​

Just as the Father sent Jesus in His (the Father's name), so too, the Son sends (from the Father) the Holy Ghost in His stead.

Joh_5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.​

The same error you teach is also found sweeping the ranks of SDA's even as I write, and I have a good dear friend that was swept up in it, and I warned him what would happen, and as I prophesied it took place. He was removed from his VP office in ministry, and then cast out of the other place he went to, and even out of his own church which disfellowshipped him after they plead with him, and I plead with him over and over and prayed hard and shown him what God gave to me to help him - but even now he refuses to listen. It is a denial of the Holy Ghost's Personhood/Being. You are in serious danger.

The John 14.26 is very much the same passage as John 14.16-18, it reflects the same meaning that the "Comforter" the "Helper" and "Advocate" is the Jesus Christ Whom His Father GOD will sent to His believers and worshipers to support them. There is no other GOD or Holy Spirit beside Him and His Father.

HOLY GHOST means HOLY SPIRIT, this is another name of the HOLY SPIRIT OF THE FATHER AND THE SON.

THERE IS NO THIRD HOLY SPIRIT, THERE IS NO THIRD GOD, ONLY TWO - FATHER AND HIS SON. GOD created only Son as the Holy Spirit, He is also a Holy Ghost, and no one else.

1John 5.1
1.Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is BORN of GOD, and whoever loves the Father, loves the child born of Him.

Colossians 1. 15
15.And He is the Image of the invisible GOD (Father), the First-born of all creation.

Hebrews 1.3-4.6
6.And when He (GOD Father) again brings the First-Born (Jesus Christ) into the world, he (David) says, "And let all the angels of GOD worship Him." (Psalm 97.7)

Revelation 3.14
14.And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the Faithful, and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of GOD says this:

Revelation 22.13
13.I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. There is no room here for any third holy spirit.

All these verses above talking about Jesus Christ as the first creation of GOD. Where you can see here a third party? Where Bible said that GOD beside Jesus Christ also created a third holy ghost?

It is absolutely evident from all these verses that only Jesus Christ was created as the Holy Spirit, and He is the Holy Ghost as well, because Ghost and the Spirit is the same Being, the HOLY SPIRIT.

You mentioned John 5.43. And again you took a single verse out of its context and again you attached you theory to that particular verse. Start read from verse 19 to the end, to verse 47.

Between verses 19 and 47 Jesus talking about Himself and about John the Baptist, accusing, reproving, and rebuking Jews for their disbelieve in Him.

The verse you took out of its context talking about someone who will come in his own name, and he will be accepted by ungodly people.

Jesus came in the name of His Father, but one who will come in his own name most likely will be some who pretended to be Jesus, or prophet, or may be it is Antichrist himself. This prophesy of Jesus Christ repeated itself numerous times, it was done in the past, during our times, and will happen in the future, against whom Jesus prophesying and warning in this verse.

John 5.43
43."I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me, if another (false Jesus or Antichrist) shall come in his own name, you will receive him."

If according to you theory the "holy ghost" is the one who will come in his own name, surely this "holy ghost" of yours is the Antichrist.

You quickly jump on the wrong conclusions Alofa in your replies, and accusing me that I teach error in this issue. First of all I do not teach anyone, I am not a teacher, I do not want to be a teacher, and I will never teach.

But I have full right to share with others my thoughts, my point of view, my understanding, my discoveries, and my opinions, like everybody else in this forum does.

If your dear friend stand for the truth and went against traditional flow of church dogmas and doctrines, GOD BLEES HIM. Same thing many times was done to Jesus Christ and His Apostles, Who are constantly ridiculed, humiliated, hated, excommunicated, and persecuted by religious establishment for telling the Gospel of Truth.

You dear friend went through the "Narrow Gate" just like some Pharisees and Sadducees who did accepted Jesus Christ, drop religious establishment, and open their hearts tor the TRUTH of Jesus' Gospel. While the rest went through the "Broad Gate" which will led them to the dead end.

No one denying the Holy Ghost, not me, neither your friend, you are now lying. Because you do not understand the Holy Ghost - the Holy Spirit of the Father and His Son, no body can be at fault for this.

Actually your believe that some kind of third holy spirit exist beside Holy Spirit of GOD Father and His Son is blasphemous. Because GOD said that no other god exist beside Him. You warned me about danger of my believe, I do not need you warnings Alofa, you are not one to whom I look up, on whom I rely, to whom I believe, on whom I hope, and to who I trust, keep your warnings to yourself.

THERE IS NO ANOTHER THIRD HOLY SPIRIT BESIDE FATHER AND HIS SON.

 

[Alofa Atu]

keep your warnings to yourself.

As you will.