First Women Pastor of Mississippi Baptist Church

paynedaniel:
I read the link about the women "pastor" and found it very disturbing. The article quotes that church as saying "we are not a typical Southern Baptist Church." No kidding!!! They have gone against the Baptist Faith and Message statement and are just falling prey to the liberal, trendy, political correctness of the day. It is really sad to see.

Further, what is wrong with the "typical" Southern Baptist Church? I guess the only thing I could say, what is wrong with that particular church is that it is a disgrace to the "typical" SBC. If I were a member of that place I'd be out of there so fast. It's not that they are "liberal", or "forward-looking" or on the "cutting edge" or "progressive" or anything like that. They are following the laws of man instead of God and I hope the Southern Baptist Convention kicks them out.
James2

[ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]

 

That's why I find the action so disturbing. I hope that so-called "church" that is following the laws of man, excludes themselves from the SBC and does not continue to refer to themselves as Southern Baptist. It slanders all good TYPICAL Southern Baptist Churchs. Daniel, you asked for our opinions on the subject. So, there you have it my friend.
By the way, I hope you saw my message to you about your public apology. I told you not to be so hard on yourself. We are all passionate about our beliefs (I bet you can tell), so my friend, I know you are forgiven. It was also great to see all the other people that stated their forgiveness too. Pretty nice, don't you think?
James2

 

Daniel:
You are very welcome. We, including myself, have to remember that most of the people on this board are Christians in the good sense of the term and when you get right down to it we are on the same side -- knowing that Jesus Christ is LORD and Savior.
While we disagree on different points of theology we are still brothers and sisters in Christ. We have to keep reminding ourselves of that. Debate is great and I love it (you can probably tell) but we have to keep it on a friendly, kind level. Believe me, I know how hard that is sometimes. I feel so strongly about the gospel and I want EVERYONE to understand what a diamond in the rough it really is. But I can't grab someone by the throat, trip them, throw them on the ground, beat them on the head and body with the Bible and scream about how much Jesus loves them. (I feel like it tho).

Anyway, let's keep it civil and I will try to pay attention to my own advice.
God bless
James2

 

Daniel is right about the SBC "kicking this church out." There's nothing to kick them out of, technically speaking.

 

Cheers for this church--faithful, free, traditional Baptists; I admire them for following God and not being afraid of the Nashville politburo.

And cheers for my home state of Mississippi and Mississippi Baptists!

 

That church may be all you say. Looks like they are doing a good job of following their own man-centered religion. I'm glad I don't have to be subjected to that place.
James2

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAMES2:
That church may be all you say. Looks like they are doing a good job of following their own man-centered religion. I'm glad I don't have to be subjected to that place.
James2<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if their beliefs were "man-centered" I doubt they'd have a woman pastor .

Joshua

 

There you go again. Man-centered, kind of like mankind, which means all of the human species. You know that as well as I do. Or would you prefer personkind, or personcentered, or Our Parents in heaven, or whatever ******* terms you like.
In the end, I mean not God-centered. Just one trendy, politically correct church doing its own thing, instead of God's thing. End of debate.
James2

[ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Joshua Villines:


Actually, if their beliefs were "man-centered" I doubt they'd have a woman pastor .

Joshua<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Dog-gone it Josh,

You beat me to the punch.
Joseph Botwinick

[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: Joseph Botwinick ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAMES2:
There you go again. Man-centered, kind of like mankind, which means all of the human species. You know that as well as I do. Or would you prefer personkind, or personcentered, or Our Parents in heaven, or whatever ******* terms you like.
In the end, I mean not God-centered. Just one trendy, politically correct church doing its own thing, instead of God's thing. End of debate.
James2

[ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow James,

You seem a bit angry and hateful in that last post. Are you sure that a person in a God centered religion should be talking that way.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Pretty Cool. I have heard that this is a wonderful couple. She will be a wonderful Pastor from what I have heard. Whodaever thunk it; Mississippi more progressive that the Robert White led GBC
Peace
Russell

 

James,

Conservative evangelical churches have been ordaining women for hundreds of years, so your attempt to paint this as liberalism is totally false and foolish. Do you always get angry when God doesn't consult you before He decides whom to call into ministry?

It's amazing to me how those who howl the loudest about God's sovereignty are the most upset when God exercises that sovereignty over their presuppositions.

Oh, and I'm sure that church in question would be glad they didn't have to put up with the likes of you, too.

 

Joseph:
It just seemed like I was angry. No sense of getting upset over such foolishness!! The stars were not in place of a cuss word. I don't cuss -- ever. It was to cover up the word idiotic. I put stars in because I didn't want people to think I was angry.
James2
P.S. All the edits are because I just got home from work and it is late, but I wanted to respond to the last two posts.
[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]

[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]

 

Well, since these posts are all by men so far, I think I'll add a little fuel to the flame.
I'm a ministry-minded,strongly-opinionated, Bible-loving, Gospel-sharing pastor's wife who is dead-set against women in the pastorate! I don't want to preach, tho' I probably could do a better job than some men I know. Even if I did want to preach, I know it's unbiblical. So why should I go against the clear teaching of Scripture?
I teach my children & other women; that's Bible-based & quite fulfilling to me.
I knew a dear lady (I don't doubt her salvation or her zeal) who was a pastor and she gave these kind of excuses to the Bible's clear teaching against women in authority over men:
*Culture--the patronistic culture of Judaism
*The nebulous deaconness(?) of Romans 16
and 1 or 2 other very dim ideas on the subject.
When I pointed out that:
*The few women put into leadership roles in the OT were exceptions--known to be such & done partly as a shame to the wimpy men;
*Jesus only had men as Apostles;
*Only men wrote the Bible;
*The "Church Fathers" weren't Mothers;
*The specific Scriptures that clearly teach against women in authority over men...
Well the dear lady didn't want to speak with me on the subject any longer!

 

Michael:
"Conservative" churches may have been ordaining women for years. That doesn't make it right.
As for that type of church not wanting me, I agree with you. I'm sure the feelings are mutual.
As for me thinking God needs to consult me, wrong. God doesn't consult anyone. God is God and He is in control.
Now, what makes you assume that God was involved in that "call" to the ministry? Well, I guess you can assume.
This subject is so foolish it doesn't deserve any further comment. Dr Bob is right. This has been hashed over enough. You either believe women should be "ministers" or you don't. I don't!!
James2