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Former Gov. Jesse Ventura Suing Navy Seal Widow

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Former Navy Seal Chris Kyle wrote a book about his experiences as a sniper. In a small section of the book he tells the story of when he punched out "Scruff Face" in a bar fight. On his book tour Kyle admitted "Scruff Face" was former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura (Ventura has long claimed he was a Navy Seal.) According to the book, while Kyle and friends were at the restaurant/bar following a wake for a killed Seal, Ventura allegedly said that "the Seals deserve to lose a few (die) because of the policies of the Bush administration". Kyle objected, Ventura threw a punch which Kyle ducked and then he flattened Ventura with a punch.

Ventura claims the altercation at the bar never happened, that Kyle never punched him and that he is being defamed by the story that he lost a bar fight.

Chris Kyle was accidentally killed in an incident at a shooting range last year. This is not stopping Ventura from suing Kyle's widow, Tara Kyle. The defamation trial started yesterday.

http://www.startribune.com/local/266230451.html
 
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So much for being off the grid in Mexico hiding from drones!

Ventura spoke with CNBC’s “Closing Bell” from an “undisclosed location in Mexico” on Tuesday, prompting the hosts to ask him where he was and why he was there.

“I’m off the grid. I move about with my TV show so that the drones can’t find me and you won’t know exactly where I am,” Ventura said, talking over the host’s question as to whether it was a hoax.
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Poor guy has gone completely around the bend.


http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/jesse-ventura-drones-103144.html
 
InTheLight

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ShagNappy said:
So much for being off the grid in Mexico hiding from drones!

Poor guy has gone completely around the bend.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/jesse-ventura-drones-103144.html
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Also from the article:

Ventura ignored another question from the host asking how he could be off the grid with Internet access.


He decried the role of money in politics and said his own campaign raised less than he made as governor. He also said his current TV effort was not about money.

“I don’t need the money. I’ve made the money,” Ventura said. “I don’t need no more money; I can live right now and my family until I die.”


But I'm suing a widow for the cash her husband made on a book about his life as a Navy Seal because it has "defamed" me.



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He said he’s helping the nation in his new role.

“I’m solving problems. … I’m a job creator,” Ventura said.

Yeah, jury duty jobs!
 
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Pears as how ole Jesse might have gotten into a headlock sometime in his past that mighta been a mite too tight!! :smilewinkgrin:
 
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As idiotic and paranoid as the guy seems to be, nobody can seriously deny he served honorably as a Navy Seal.

From http://navyseals.com/ns-overview/notable-seals/jesse-ventura/

"Jesse Ventura joined the Navy after high school and served for six years — four on active duty, two in the Reserves — and is a Vietnam veteran. While on active duty, he was a member of Underwater Demolition (SEAL) Team 12. He returned to Minnesota in 1973."
 
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As idiotic and paranoid as the guy seems to be, nobody can seriously deny he served honorably as a Navy Seal.

From http://navyseals.com/ns-overview/not...jesse-ventura/

"Jesse Ventura joined the Navy after high school and served for six years — four on active duty, two in the Reserves — and is a Vietnam veteran. While on active duty, he was a member of Underwater Demolition (SEAL) Team 12. He returned to Minnesota in 1973."
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The complaint, as I have read it, is that the UDT didn't become a part of the SEALs until late, like 1983, and therefore were not SEALs during WWII, Korea and Vietnam and that is the rub. The UDT didn't see the action, nor suffer the losses, that the SEALs did in combat. Ventura was also out of the UDT before 1983 as he was rasslin' in 1975. He is a Vietnam Vet and should be given the respect that is due. However, him not being a SEAL is a valid argument. Not saying that being in the UDT was a cake walk or less deserving of respect. It is an argument over titles.
 
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TCassidy said:
As idiotic and paranoid as the guy seems to be, nobody can seriously deny he served honorably as a Navy Seal.
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Ventura brushes off criticism of SEAL training

Ventura was never a SEAL. He was a UDT frogman. He never attempted the 26-week SEAL qualification training. As the article states, Ventura has often claimed that the terms are interchangeable. The are not. UDT is strictly underwater demolition. It was primarily used to disrupt harbor traffic of war ships and commercial traffic when Ventura served during the Vietnam era. It was honorable service, no doubt about it, but Ventura is being dishonest in blurring the lines between SEALS and UDT frogmen. Similar service, but not the same. SEALS do a lot of overland ops that UDTs never did.
 
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ShagNappy said:
The complaint, as I have read it, is that the UDT didn't become a part of the SEALs until late, like 1983, and therefore were not SEALs during WWII, Korea and Vietnam and that is the rub. The UDT didn't see the action, nor suffer the losses, that the SEALs did in combat. Ventura was also out of the UDT before 1983 as he was rasslin' in 1975. He is a Vietnam Vet and should be given the respect that is due. However, him not being a SEAL is a valid argument. Not saying that being in the UDT was a cake walk or less deserving of respect. It is an argument over titles.
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Correct. UDT and SEALs were merged after Ventura left the Navy. But the URL I posted is, as you can see from the URL itself, run by a group of present and former SEALs, who accept Ventura as a SEAL.

Those who say his claims constitute "stolen valor" are mostly the "my service can beat up your service" types. Or, even worse, the "I really served but you never really did" types.

If the SEAL community accepts him, I have no reason to reject him. (Other than the fact he obviously took too many blows to the head during training. There is no other explanation I can think of for his conspiracy theories and paranoia.) :D
 
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TCassidy said:
Correct. UDT and SEALs were merged after Ventura left the Navy. But the URL I posted is, as you can see from the URL itself, run by a group of present and former SEALs, who accept Ventura as a SEAL.

Those who say his claims constitute "stolen valor" are mostly the "my service can beat up your service" types. Or, even worse, the "I really served but you never really did" types.

If the SEAL community accepts him, I have no reason to reject him. (Other than the fact he obviously took too many blows to the head during training. There is no other explanation I can think of for his conspiracy theories and paranoia.) :D
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The SEAL community does not entirely accept him, especially since he never completed the same 26 week course they had to to earn the title.

Ventura has often implied that he was a SEAL, but has never stated it categorically. Bill Sainsbury described Ventura's Navy training thus:

[Ventura] took a screening test at boot camp to qualify for...Basic Underwater Demolition/seal (buds/s) training...Those who completed bud/s, when [Ventura] was in training, were sent to either a seal or an underwater demolition team. Graduation did not, however, authorize the trainee to call himself a seal or a udt frogman. He had to first successfully complete a six-month probationary period in the Teams.[114]

Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. In 1983, eight years after Ventura left the Navy, the UDTs were disbanded and those operators were retrained and retasked as SEALs.[113]

Some argue that since Ventura's BUD/S training was common to UDTs and SEALs, and the work of UDTs and SEALs was similar, he is entitled to call himself a SEAL in all but name, but others disagree and hold the view expressed by Bill Salisbury.

Responding to the controversy, Governor Ventura's office confirmed that Ventura was a member of the UDT. His spokesman stated that Ventura has never tried to convince people otherwise.[14] Ventura stated, "Today we refer to all of us as SEALs, that's all it is", and dismissed the accusations of lying about being a SEAL as "much ado about nothing".[113]
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His office would never confirm he was a SEAL.
 
InTheLight

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corndogggy said:
If you're going to post stuff as if it is news, at least know what you're talking about. You don't kill two people on accident.
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Yep, you're right. I had read that he was killed at a shooting range so I (wrongly) assumed it was an accident. Someone shot and killed Kyle and another person at the shooting range. I stand corrected. Thanks.
 
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In Jesse's defense, he claims he has never met the guy, there were no witnesses at all, he is friends with the owner of the bar who cannot recall seeing or hearing about any such incident, just very strange. These guys are both nationally known, and nobody remembers seeing them throwing down inside of a bar which was supposedly pretty full that night? It makes no sense. If somebody I never met was making money telling stories about how they decked me in front of everyone, I'd probably sue too, and sue his estate if he died.
 
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corndogggy said:
In Jesse's defense, he claims he has never met the guy, there were no witnesses at all, he is friends with the owner of the bar who cannot recall seeing or hearing about any such incident, just very strange. These guys are both nationally known, and nobody remembers seeing them throwing down inside of a bar which was supposedly pretty full that night? It makes no sense. If somebody I never met was making money telling stories about how they decked me in front of everyone, I'd probably sue too, and sue his estate if he died.
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There were witnesses, at least according to legal documents Ventura's lawyers filed last January.
http://www.startribune.com/local/239356401.html

In the book, the account of Kyle punching Ventura is three pages long. I don't think the point of the book was to make money off the Ventura story. Besides, in order to win a defamation lawsuit, Ventura is going to have to prove malice of intent, meaning that Kyle knew the statements were false. Also, Ventura is going to have to prove that his reputation was damaged. I think the person most damaging to Ventura's reputation is Ventura himself.
 
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