Founders Conference in Raleigh

Yeah, I'd like to hear a recap as well.

 

And for those who don't know, what's a Founders Conference?

Joshua

 

Joshua

See this web site: Founders.Org

BTW, I am not one, just know about them.

Jeff

 

Was there a "Crossover Raleigh" outreach effort prior to the Founders meeting????

 

They probably didn't use sloppy evangelism and man-made manipulations (methods) to trick people into thinking they are saved.

 

I am sure you are right. As a matter of fact, I doubt there was any sort of evangelism at all.

 

Have you ever heard of Charles Spurgeon, Adoniram Judson, William Carey, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, B.H. Carroll, John Calvin, James P. Boyce, John Piper, among other thoroughgoing Calvinists?

As a matter of fact, the major true mission movements in church history have all been led by Calvinists, such as William Carey who is considered to be the father of modern missions.

Maybe you are thinking of hyper-Calvinists.

[ October 21, 2002, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]

 

No Ken, they all have to adopt the seeker-friendly (even though there is no such thing as a seeker) method or it is just legalism .

 

Ken,
I didn't know Adoniram Judson was a Calvinist.

 

You mean to tell me these guys were a part of the sub-SBC Reformed group known as the Founders Movement????

Don't be so quick to erect and burn those straw men.

I was thinking of the Founders Movement....you make the call

Before you get irritated, ask yourself this question: "Why has Mohler and some other prominent Calvinists in the SBC pulled away from the Founders movement?"

BTW, I do not fit into your anti-Calvinist paradigm. I just call a spade-a spade.

 

There you go with that "I have the monopoly on truth" attitude that so characterizes "some" in the Founders movement.

Founders motto: It's my way or no way ... oops sorry I included the word "my" ... it's God's way or no way (of course we know exactly what God's way is).

 

SBCbyGRACE, I am not part of the Founders movement. I personally think what they are pushing is only part of the problem in the SBC.

Rick Warren and other apostates like him are proof that people don't understand salvation.

I did visit the Founders page and order 4 messages on audio CD by yours and my favorite preacher, Dr. John Piper. The subject of his 4part series is... MISSIONS .

 

Of course. He thinks differently than you, so he must be wrong.

Apostate is such a strong word. But then again, that "my opinion is the right and only one" mentality will cause you to lash out in such anger against those God is using who differ from you. I think Jesus addressed a similar situation when his disciples were griping against those who were doing things a little differently.

Actually I like Piper very much. It is his pupils that drive me crazy. My mentality allows me to think outside my own little box. I am looking at most of Piper's books sitting on my shelf, particularly that little "Let the Nations Be Glad" jewel which presents a great philosophy of missions. And you know what? I can read it and learn from it and still praise Rick Warren b/c God uses all types of men and methods that are different than my little finite opinion. What an awesome God we serve!

Enjoy the sermons but remember: Piper puts on his pants the same way we do.

 

I think he is a lefty. Therefore, he would probably put his right leg in first.

 

This might interest those of you who are actually concerned about reading about what the "Founders" group believes about evangelism.

http://www.founders.org/FJ45/contents.html

As one who has spoken at Founders Conferences and who has attended many more (many of them dealing with evangelism and missions, by the way), I know that the men associated with this group are passionate about the Great Commission. Many of the pastors have led their churches to become "Global Priority" churches of the International Mission Board. Many of the men have taken their families overseas to live as missionaries.

Yes, Dr. Mohler has distanced himself from the Founders because of political pressure brought to bear upon him. I personally think that is unfortunate. However, for anyone to accuse the Founders of not being concerned about the Great Commission does not line up with the facts.

Rev. G

 

By the way, Rick Warren's book, THE PURPOSE-DRIVEN CHURCH, has many useful things to teach us about how we treat our guests. Much of it is "common sense" type stuff that some folks just don't think about. Rick Warren is NOT an apostate! I disagree with the way he does church, and strongly so, but there is no room for saying that he has departed from the faith.

A few years ago I had breakfast with the former president of MWBTS, Mark Coppenger. For those of you who don't know, Dr. Coppenger is a staunch Calvinist. I found it interesting that he stated he saw many remarkable similarities between Warren's work and Spurgeon's SOUL WINNER. Just something to think about.

Rev. G

 

John Wesley was part of the Great Awakening in Great Britain, but that is different from being part of a "missions movement ." The statement quoted above may need to be qualified, however, to declare that this is true of the major missions movement prior to the previous century (20th). But, that is up for its author...

Rev. G

P. S. (One might also ask if there was a major missions movement in the 20th century.)

[ October 21, 2002, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: Rev. G ]