Freed From Sin By Being Freed From the Law

[RedemptionAddiction]

Gekko said . . .

are we then not to follow the ten commandments? apparently Jesus Christ nailed them to the cross!

yippee! now i can go lie, steal, lust, have idols, covet, disregard the sabbath, take the Lord's name in vain etc!

yay! now that the law is gone... now i can do these things, and i still wont be sinning!

boy do i feel free! freedom from the law! freedom from sin! yeeeeaaah!

(note the sarcasm...)

RA:
Paul addresses this exact question in Romans 6. If you read the whole chapter, he tells why we should not continue to sin even though we are not under the law.

 

[RedemptionAddiction]

James said . . .
You ask about this statement.."Your view is slated……"


Slated…held to a schedule.

Your look in the OP was held to only Grace, and freedom from the Law. Being a Calvinist I love to talk about Grace. Yet in truth there is other things your reader must know. You agree that the Law still plays a part. You also agree that …Freed from the law does not mean no commandments and total lawlessness. You agree to these things and yet have not shown it. You are slated in grace, for this is the subject at hand, and have forgot about commandments.When preaching a subject one must be aware that some will only read/hear that one message and leave never to hear you again. When speaking on Grace we must also show the “full view” of the Bible. I do agree with nearly all that you said from the OP, but your focus has been kept to the subject and not on the full truth. I know this is your main point, but to the one time reader, you have said the law is no longer needed.

One must leave the schedule of the pointed subject and give full council in order to share truth.


RA:
You're right. But this post was only one chapter from an entire book I wrote.
Since I won't be able to get any replies from the whole book (how many on a discussion board will read an entire book?) then I have to release it in chapters and only ask if it's biblically accurate. YOu're addressing a balance issue. But since I know there is more to the subject than what you read here, . . . I'm not concerned with that. I just want to know if the part that I DID post is biblical.

 

[Jarthur001]

A quick look at Matt 28: 18-20

18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

The order as seen above..

1) Go!!
2) make disciples
3) baptize
4) teach them to follow me in their walk.


In Christ..James

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by gekko:
are we then not to follow the ten commandments? apparently Jesus Christ nailed them to the cross!

yippee! now i can go lie, steal, lust, have idols, covet, disregard the sabbath, take the Lord's name in vain etc!

yay! now that the law is gone... now i can do these things, and i still wont be sinning!

boy do i feel free! freedom from the law! freedom from sin! yeeeeaaah!

(note the sarcasm...)

It is ridiculous, isnt it? But that is they are truly what really saying when they try to do away with God's Law.

Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by RedemptionAddiction:
Gekko said . . .

are we then not to follow the ten commandments? apparently Jesus Christ nailed them to the cross!

yippee! now i can go lie, steal, lust, have idols, covet, disregard the sabbath, take the Lord's name in vain etc!

yay! now that the law is gone... now i can do these things, and i still wont be sinning!

boy do i feel free! freedom from the law! freedom from sin! yeeeeaaah!

(note the sarcasm...)

RA:
Paul addresses this exact question in Romans 6. If you read the whole chapter, he tells why we should not continue to sin even though we are not under the law.

We are no longer under THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH once we have the Holy Spirit and begin walking in the Spirit and no longer walk in the flesh.

The Law of sin and death means "if we sin, we will die".

But if you walk in the Spirit you no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Thus you break that cycle of sin...die...sin...die...

Rom:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Re-read this again:

1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Dustin:
In dummy terms, I think Paul is saying that there's no way we can follow commandments or law apart from Christ. We are commanded to, but we cannot, we are sinners with no good in us. But in Christ, we're new creatures, and we can do anything through Him that strenghtens us. Jesus allows us to be able to follow the law.

AMEN that is exactly right! "without Me, ye can do nothing" Jesus said... but "I can do all things through Christ".

But we will fall and fail many many times and come short of the glory of God... yet we love Him and want to please God.

 

[RedemptionAddiction]

Claudia . . . But there is no scripture that says we are not under the law of sin and death. It says we were made free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8). But as far as not being under a law, it only mentions "the law" which is a phrase in the New Covenant that refers to the OT. One example of this is in John chapter 1 it says "The law came through Moses" and in Romans 7 it says "For I had not known sin except the law had said . . ." then he quotes from the OT. So in that is another instance where "the law" is identified as the OT.

 

[EdSutton]

James wrote:

"One must leave the schedule of the pointed subject and give full council in order to share truth."

Council- an assembly, group, or meeting for consultation, advice, or discussion.

James, no doubt when anyone posts on the BB, he or she gets the full benefit of a "council"

.

Too bad one does not always get full counsel, as well.

Counsel- advice given; a plan of action; thoughts or intentions; deliberation; purpose.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Redemption Addiction:

Study your quote I have copied, here! You might wish to reword this slightly, especially the last part, to make it clearer. For I do believe you mean "not imputed".

See, you’re not righteous and you’re not in right standing with the Father, if you’re under the law. Paul quoted from Psalms when he said, "There is none righteous . . ." after finishing, he then adds, "It said these things to those who are under the law." You see, you’re not under the law anymore. You now have absolutely no sin imputed to you.

Sin No Longer Imputed

Romans 5:13 demonstrates to us one reason why sin cannot be imputed to us.

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


It was the law that imputed sin to us. What does impute mean? Not only does it mean that sin isn’t held against you, but sin isn’t even taken into account. It’s not cosidered(sic), or reckoned (Strong’s 1677). Remember Romans 8:33? Let’s read it again in this light . . .

Basically, I am in full agreement with about everything R.A. has said through the first page of this dialogue, and add a hearty "Amen!", at least so far. I'll now check out page II. Still no major differences.

RA has stated a very scriptural position, IMO.

There is a great difference between the 'commandments of grace', or "My commandments" which equate to such as "the royal law", "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus", and "the perfect law of liberty", all of which are the grace principles, and the precepts of the Mosaic Law. I am not, nor have I ever been, as far as I know, under the first Mosaic precept, being one of the "...Gentiles, who do not have the law...". (Rom. 2:14) Why in the world as one now freed from any potential claim (Rom. 7) would I want that standard of "weak and beggerly elements", when I can have all the riches of His grace?

R.A. made a good and correct point as to the phrase of "the law". In every instance of the usage of this phrase, to my knowledge, in the NT it refers to the Mosaic Law. And if memory serves, there are some 50 instances of the phrase.

The Lord Jesus Christ, indeed, did fulfill "The Law". As such, he once and for all removed the penalty of it, for he satisfied its demands. Now He could and did nail it to His cross, and along with sin, took it out of the way.

Why try and bring it back?

In His grace,
Ed

 

[gekko]

did Jesus follow the law? what about after his ressurection?

do you think Jesus would not follow his own laws?

 

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by EdSutton:
James wrote:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> "One must leave the schedule of the pointed subject and give full council in order to share truth."

Council- an assembly, group, or meeting for consultation, advice, or discussion.

James, no doubt when anyone posts on the BB, he or she gets the full benefit of a "council"

.

Too bad one does not always get full counsel, as well.

Counsel- advice given; a plan of action; thoughts or intentions; deliberation; purpose.

Ed </font>[/QUOTE]Hi ed,

Maybe you have never heard of this phase. but it is something that I use from time to time. As it turns out, others use it as well. allow me..

"We must look to the full council of God’s word to establish this. Let me end by simply summarizing the evidence against baptism being required for salvation."

you can find clip at this link..
http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Mark-16-16.html

another site..

"DK: Right, but I also want it balanced. For instance, we just did a 4 week study on the end times, and wanted to make sure their was a balance on the "full council of God." Aas we haven't talked about that since we started Graceland. I also passed out information on the other credible positions from the one I took, so people are aware of the various positions there are in this. This is what I mean by "Theo-topical.""

http://www.freshministry.org/postmodern/kimball.html

more...

"Any gospel which proclaims less than that, preaches less than the full, and therefore true gospel. The work of all three Persons of the Holy Trinity needs to be honoured. Salvation flows from the Father's eternal election. The Son is the Mediator of the Covenant of Grace. The Holy Spirit applies this salvation during the lifetime of each of the elect. Wherever the full council of God is neglected, the church soon degenerates into something terribly dishonouring to God, and fatally deceptive to man."

http://www.reformed.org.za/english/literature/Herald/herald3.htm

more..

"Part of the problem is that we have developed ministers who are specialists. They are called by God to focus on ministering in one area of truth. Therefore, that's all they teach. Other believers follow them to the point that they take that minister's teachings as being the full council of God, when it is only one part."

http://maranathalife.com/teaching/12defect.htm

yes...more

"Down playing doctrine, expository teaching and a clear presentation of the full council of God (Acts 20:20,27)."

http://www.iljboards.com/archive/index.php/t-5454.html

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Its meaning...tell the WHOLE of God, not just part.


In Christ...James

 

[Jarthur001]

and yes...many use Counsel as well.

or..

just as you posted above..notice...ADVICE

Council- an assembly, group, or meeting for consultation, advice, or discussion

 

[RedemptionAddiction]

Ed, I didn't see what part of my quote that I might want to reword. Could you point it out?

 

[RedemptionAddiction]

Gekko said . . .

did Jesus follow the law? what about after his ressurection?

RA:
Hmmm. I haven't really looked into that aspect of it. So I couldn't say either way.

Gekko:
do you think Jesus would not follow his own laws?

RA:

Hmmm . . . Again, I would hesitate to say since I've not looked into it. Nevertheless, did you see any other things wrong with the article?

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by RedemptionAddiction:
Gekko said . . .

did Jesus follow the law? what about after his ressurection?

RA:
Hmmm. I haven't really looked into that aspect of it. So I couldn't say either way.

Gekko:
do you think Jesus would not follow his own laws?

RA:

Hmmm . . . Again, I would hesitate to say since I've not looked into it. Nevertheless, did you see any other things wrong with the article?

Jesus kept the law, He never sinned. Had He not kept the law, He couldnt of been our perfect sacrifice.

Jn:15:10: If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jn:8:46: Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Heb:4:15: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

1Jn:3:4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.