Full Preterism

[evangelist6589]

Please do not try and turn this into yet another Cal/Armin debate thank you!

Church is going to do a study in Eschatology coming up which interests me as this topic I have done some study in the past, however I forgot or am not all that knowledgeable on Preterism. But from what I read about it online it looks like a major heresy and a even bigger one than others that are debated here all the time such as Pelagianism & Hyper-Calvinism. Full Preterism is the belief that the Bible teaches that the Second Coming, judgement and resurrection of the living and dead took place at the end of the Old Covenant age in the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70. It would appear there is a difference between Partial Preterism and Hyper/Full Preterism and partial is not a heresy because Reformed scholars like RC Sproul and Gentry have authored such books. I have to wonder are there are Full Preterists here and if so can you defend your position? Also since I cannot be saved as all the events already occurred how do I get saved, or am I doomed to burn in hell as there will be no hope for me and others because the judgment already came?

Under the full preterist system, Satan continually receives souls that God has created and will be eternally tormented in hell. There is no end in sight for this. It could go on throughout eternity. God just continues to create more souls to burn in hell. Satan just keeps laughing all the way to the First National Bank of Hell. And there is no end in sight for this. The world just keeps getting worse and worse.

http://www.newwine.org/Articles/Preterism.htm

Full Preterism seems to use these verses as a backbone to its main arguments that Christ came in the first century.

Matthew 10:23 ESV When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28 ESV Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 ESV Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

I think a key problem to their view is the way they interpret these verses, and this is yet another problem when someone does not read commentaries but insists that books are bad, and they do not read them as they only read the Bible. God gave us teachers for a reason, and commentaries by Full Preterists are as rare as those by KJVO.

 

[Grasshopper]

Church is going to do a study in Eschatology coming up which interests me as this topic I have done some study in the past, however I forgot or am not all that knowledgeable on Preterism. But from what I read about it online it looks like a major heresy and a even bigger one than others that are debated here all the time such as Pelagianism & Hyper-Calvinism. Full Preterism is the belief that the Bible teaches that the Second Coming, judgement and resurrection of the living and dead took place at the end of the Old Covenant age in the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70. It would appear there is a difference between Partial Preterism and Hyper/Full Preterism and partial is not a heresy because Reformed scholars like RC Sproul and Gentry have authored such books. I have to wonder are there are Full Preterists here and if so can you defend your position?

I decided to do my own study on eschatology about 12 years ago. Growing up in your typical SBC church all I knew of was the standard Dispie view. I had no reason to look elsewhere since I was sure all biblically sound Christians held to this view, after all it was unanimously held by every pastor, evangelist and teacher I was ever exposed to ( in person or on tv).
That all changed when I heard a series by the pastor at my parents SBC church. It was based on Gary DeMar's book "Last Days Madness". I didn't believe it at first but the more I thought about it the more it began to make sense. So I got his book and read it, immediately I knew the view I grew up with had major problems so I decided to dig in and start studying.

To make a long story short I began flirting with the full preterist position and held to it at differing times on and off for a number of years. I finally came to the conclusion that I just don't know so I consider myself a preterist but that is as specific as I'm comfortable with at this point. Basically I straddle the fence. I will say though I find the FP position to be the most consistent. On a side note, all the FP I am aware of began as partial preterist but then began to see the problems of consistency in that model.

Also since I cannot be saved as all the events already occurred how do I get saved, or am I doomed to burn in hell as there will be no hope for me and others because the judgment already came?

This makes no sense, why would FP prevent salvation? FP does not teach this.

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Under the full preterist system, Satan continually receives souls that God has created and will be eternally tormented in hell. There is no end in sight for this. It could go on throughout eternity. God just continues to create more souls to burn in hell. Satan just keeps laughing all the way to the First National Bank of Hell. And there is no end in sight for this. The world just keeps getting worse and worse.
http://www.newwine.org/Articles/Preterism.htm

Again, the author hasn't read much on the subject.

Full Preterism seems to use these verses as a backbone to its main arguments that Christ came in the first century.

Matthew 10:23 ESV When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28 ESV Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 ESV Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

These are a very few of the verses, but partial prets would agree with FP on the interpretation of thee verses. BTW, those verses are quite self explanatory.

I think a key problem to their view is the way they interpret these verses, and this is yet another problem when someone does not read commentaries but insists that books are bad, and they do not read them as they only read the Bible.

Another piece of bad info. In fact, go read Spurgeon, Gill, Lightfoot, and many throughout Church History who see the Olivet Discourse as being fulfilled in the events of AD 70. FP constantly quote the works of others to make their case. They would then point out the inconsistencies in their systems.

God gave us teachers for a reason, and commentaries by Full Preterists are as rare as those by KJVO.

True, but it seems to be a newer and small movement. *But their are commentaries out there on Revelation, 2 Peter and assorted passages.

 

[asterisktom]

I decided to do my own study on eschatology about 12 years ago. Growing up in your typical SBC church all I knew of was the standard Dispie view. I had no reason to look elsewhere since I was sure all biblically sound Christians held to this view, after all it was unanimously held by every pastor, evangelist and teacher I was ever exposed to ( in person or on tv).
That all changed when I heard a series by the pastor at my parents SBC church. It was based on Gary DeMar's book "Last Days Madness". I didn't believe it at first but the more I thought about it the more it began to make sense. So I got his book and read it, immediately I knew the view I grew up with had major problems so I decided to dig in and start studying.

To make a long story short I began flirting with the full preterist position and held to it at differing times on and off for a number of years. I finally came to the conclusion that I just don't know so I consider myself a preterist but that is as specific as I'm comfortable with at this point. Basically I straddle the fence. I will say though I find the FP position to be the most consistent. On a side note, all the FP I am aware of began as partial preterist but then began to see the problems of consistency in that model.





This makes no sense, why would FP prevent salvation? FP does not teach this.



Again, the author hasn't read much on the subject.



These are a very few of the verses, but partial prets would agree with FP on the interpretation of thee verses. BTW, those verses are quite self explanatory.



Another piece of bad info. In fact, go read Spurgeon, Gill, Lightfoot, and many throughout Church History who see the Olivet Discourse as being fulfilled in the events of AD 70. FP constantly quote the works of others to make their case. They would then point out the inconsistencies in their systems.



True, but it seems to be a newer and small movement. *But their are commentaries out there on Revelation, 2 Peter and assorted passages.

Thanks for commenting here, Grasshopper. I was going to say many of the same things you did, but currently I am far from my laptop, typing clumsily on my nook.

It irritates me when people quote "authorities" on Preterism who clearly are ill-equipped to assess the subject. This author (Philip Brown) and I have had a long history of give and take on several subjects back in my old group of abcprophecy. He was usually cordial enough, but I am sad that he has serious misunderstanding about the nature of grace and the Gospel, believing that it is both both possible and necessary to "quit sinning".

Out of his imperfect grasp of grace comes other faulty teaching, not the least of which is this misguided piece on Preterism.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I know nothing about it....so what are the complaints about it?

 

[Yeshua1]

Please do not try and turn this into yet another Cal/Armin debate thank you!

Church is going to do a study in Eschatology coming up which interests me as this topic I have done some study in the past, however I forgot or am not all that knowledgeable on Preterism. But from what I read about it online it looks like a major heresy and a even bigger one than others that are debated here all the time such as Pelagianism & Hyper-Calvinism. Full Preterism is the belief that the Bible teaches that the Second Coming, judgement and resurrection of the living and dead took place at the end of the Old Covenant age in the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70. It would appear there is a difference between Partial Preterism and Hyper/Full Preterism and partial is not a heresy because Reformed scholars like RC Sproul and Gentry have authored such books. I have to wonder are there are Full Preterists here and if so can you defend your position? Also since I cannot be saved as all the events already occurred how do I get saved, or am I doomed to burn in hell as there will be no hope for me and others because the judgment already came?

http://www.newwine.org/Articles/Preterism.htm

Full Preterism seems to use these verses as a backbone to its main arguments that Christ came in the first century.

Matthew 10:23 ESV When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 16:28 ESV Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 ESV Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

I think a key problem to their view is the way they interpret these verses, and this is yet another problem when someone does not read commentaries but insists that books are bad, and they do not read them as they only read the Bible. God gave us teachers for a reason, and commentaries by Full Preterists are as rare as those by KJVO.

Church always saw full pretiersm as heresy, as those holding to that view say second coming already happened, and deny the physical bodily resurrection of the saints with Christ!

 

[robycop3]

Full preteriam is phony as a Ford Corvette!

The preterist CANNOT explain how history missed the physical, visible return of JESUS, an event He Himself said would be SEEN BY ALL.

The preterist CANNOT explain why the Mount of Olives is intact today, not split in two with a great rift between the two halves, an Zech. 14:4 sez will happen when Jesus returns and alights on that mountain.

The preterist CANNOT exolain how history missed such events as the world ruler, the mark of the beast, and the events of Revelation 8 & 9.

The preterist CANNOT explain why the Revelator told John to measure the temple in the vision when the Revelation was given AFTER the temple in jerusalem had been destroyed.

The preterist CANNOT explain why prophecy is being fulfilled right under his nose...such as the Jews' having their own sovereign nation again, with Jerusalem as its capital, or Egypt's being terrified of the land of Judah(Isaiah 19).

Their denial of the physical, visible return of Christ is a great BLASPHEMY! Let us reject all parts of the evil preterist doctrine!

 

[preachinjesus]

Whatever eschatological position you take, it ultimately must result in Jesus Christ returning to (however you get there) establish the New Jerusalem.

Not that Jesus has returned spiritually, but he is going do return at some point.

 

[Grasshopper]

Full preteriam is phony as a Ford Corvette!

The preterist CANNOT explain how history missed the physical, visible return of JESUS, an event He Himself said would be SEEN BY ALL.

The preterist CANNOT explain why the Mount of Olives is intact today, not split in two with a great rift between the two halves, an Zech. 14:4 sez will happen when Jesus returns and alights on that mountain.

The preterist CANNOT exolain how history missed such events as the world ruler, the mark of the beast, and the events of Revelation 8 & 9.

The preterist CANNOT explain why the Revelator told John to measure the temple in the vision when the Revelation was given AFTER the temple in jerusalem had been destroyed.

The preterist CANNOT explain why prophecy is being fulfilled right under his nose...such as the Jews' having their own sovereign nation again, with Jerusalem as its capital, or Egypt's being terrified of the land of Judah(Isaiah 19).

Their denial of the physical, visible return of Christ is a great BLASPHEMY! Let us reject all parts of the evil preterist doctrine!

Actually they can and have answered all of those questions. Perhaps you might want to study the subject before making such uninformed statements. Not liking an answer is not the same has not having an answer.