Fundamentalists.. Unbelievers or true believers?

[evangelist6589]

Recently some on the internet have challenged my view that Fundamentalist are true believers, but really are works based churches filled with false converts. I happen to disagree as I find no evidence that they are works based in terms of salvation/soteriology. Yes they may be works based in terms of sanctification, but so should they be as works are what earns one their rewards at the Bema judgment. If one decides to abstain from alcohol that should or will not be something that Christ looks at in consideration for rewards. If one dresses in a suit and tie, or if a woman decides not to wear jewelry, to mix swim, attend movies, or to dance these happen to be SECONDARY issues that Christ I doubt will look at. I agree that Fundamentalist are wrong in their assertion they are better than evangelical that do not do these things, yes. But each one has his faults.

Fundamentalist may be Arminian but they do preach the true gospel and I found no evidence of the contrary during my 2 years at BJU, and during my 6 years attending BJU churches in Greenville, SC. If anyone happens to think that Fundamentalist are not saved then please present your case. Perhaps the ones that think these things about them are those that believe in "easy-believism" and all one has to do is say a prayer and then live like satan and still be saved. No IFB I have known of has taught such a thing!

 

[Winman]

Recently some on the internet have challenged my view that Fundamentalist are true believers, but really are works based churches filled with false converts. I happen to disagree as I find no evidence that they are works based in terms of salvation/soteriology. Yes they may be works based in terms of sanctification, but so should they be as works are what earns one their rewards at the Bema judgment. If one decides to abstain from alcohol that should or will not be something that Christ looks at in consideration for rewards. If one dresses in a suit and tie, or if a woman decides not to wear jewelry, to mix swim, attend movies, or to dance these happen to be SECONDARY issues that Christ I doubt will look at. I agree that Fundamentalist are wrong in their assertion they are better than evangelical that do not do these things.

Fundamentalist may be Arminian but they do preach the true gospel and I found no evidence of the contrary during my 2 years at BJU, and during my 6 years attending BJU churches in Greenville, SC. If anyone happens to think that Fundamentalist are not saved then please present your case.

IFB churches are not Arminian. Most folks understand Arminians to believe a person can lose or forfeit their salvation. This is why I call myself a "non-Cal" and not an Arminian, although I am far more in agreement with Arminians than Calvinists.

And who I pray tell, is telling you that IFBs are not saved? Let me guess... Calvinists?

You are one mixed up person.

 

[Luke2427]

IFB churches are not Arminian. Most folks understand Arminians to believe a person can lose or forfeit their salvation. This is why I call myself a "non-Cal" and not an Arminian, although I am far more in agreement with Arminians than Calvinists.

And who I pray tell, is telling you that IFBs are not saved? Let me guess... Calvinists?

You are one mixed up person.

It doesn't seem like you will ever get it no matter how many times people explain it to you.

Believing eternal security does not mean you are not an Arminian.

Jacobus Arminius himself was not settled on that matter.

I don't know if your memory is really bad or what, but I thought I'd try to tell you one more time.

 

[Winman]

It doesn't seem like you will ever get it no matter how many times people explain it to you.

Believing eternal security does not mean you are not an Arminian.

Jacobus Arminius himself was not settled on that matter.

I don't know if your memory is really bad or what, but I thought I'd try to tell you one more time.

Actually, I am quite aware that many Arminians are not settled on this issue. But GENERALLY speaking, most people believe that Arminians believe you can lose or forfeit your salvation. You know that as well as I do.

Most Arminians also believe in Original Sin, but I do not. So again, while I am much closer to Arminianism than Calvinism, I am not an Arminian.

Now, do YOU get that?

 

[Herald]

Recently some on the internet have challenged my view that Fundamentalist are true believers, but really are works based churches filled with false converts. I happen to disagree as I find no evidence that they are works based in terms of salvation/soteriology. Yes they may be works based in terms of sanctification, but so should they be as works are what earns one their rewards at the Bema judgment. If one decides to abstain from alcohol that should or will not be something that Christ looks at in consideration for rewards. If one dresses in a suit and tie, or if a woman decides not to wear jewelry, to mix swim, attend movies, or to dance these happen to be SECONDARY issues that Christ I doubt will look at. I agree that Fundamentalist are wrong in their assertion they are better than evangelical that do not do these things, yes. But each one has his faults.

Fundamentalist may be Arminian but they do preach the true gospel and I found no evidence of the contrary during my 2 years at BJU, and during my 6 years attending BJU churches in Greenville, SC. If anyone happens to think that Fundamentalist are not saved then please present your case. Perhaps the ones that think these things about them are those that believe in "easy-believism" and all one has to do is say a prayer and then live like satan and still be saved. No IFB I have known of has taught such a thing!

The Fundamentalist movement is both antinomian and legalistic. That said, there are many people within the movement who are genuinely saved. Not everyone in the movement agrees with everything the movement espouses.

 

[saturneptune]

IFB is no different than any other denomination. There are saved and unsaved in the local churches of the SBC, RCC, PCA, etc, etc, etc. Making a judgment for a whole denomination of thousands upon thousands, totally disregarding they are individuals, shows a total misunderstanding of Scripture.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Recently some on the internet have challenged my view that Fundamentalist are true believers, but really are works based churches filled with false converts. I happen to disagree as I find no evidence that they are works based in terms of salvation/soteriology. Yes they may be works based in terms of sanctification, but so should they be as works are what earns one their rewards at the Bema judgment. If one decides to abstain from alcohol that should or will not be something that Christ looks at in consideration for rewards. If one dresses in a suit and tie, or if a woman decides not to wear jewelry, to mix swim, attend movies, or to dance these happen to be SECONDARY issues that Christ I doubt will look at. I agree that Fundamentalist are wrong in their assertion they are better than evangelical that do not do these things, yes. But each one has his faults.

Fundamentalist may be Arminian but they do preach the true gospel and I found no evidence of the contrary during my 2 years at BJU, and during my 6 years attending BJU churches in Greenville, SC. If anyone happens to think that Fundamentalist are not saved then please present your case. Perhaps the ones that think these things about them are those that believe in "easy-believism" and all one has to do is say a prayer and then live like satan and still be saved. No IFB I have known of has taught such a thing!

Which Fundamentalist are you talking about, American, European or Asian? All call themselves Fundamentalist, but the surely would not agree with each other on many points.

 

[evangelist6589]

Actually, I am quite aware that many Arminians are not settled on this issue. But GENERALLY speaking, most people believe that Arminians believe you can lose or forfeit your salvation. You know that as well as I do.

Most Arminians also believe in Original Sin, but I do not. So again, while I am much closer to Arminianism than Calvinism, I am not an Arminian.

Now, do YOU get that?

No they do not. Have you done your HW? Charles Stanley for example is not Reformed but does believe in Eternal Security and himself condemns the position of Free-Will Baptists and those like you that are confused on their theology.

 

[evangelist6589]

Which Fundamentalist are you talking about, American, European or Asian? All call themselves Fundamentalist, but the surely would not agree with each other on many points.

What is the country I am from? What is the country 90% of posters here are from?

 

[evangelist6589]

IFB is no different than any other denomination. There are saved and unsaved in the local churches of the SBC, RCC, PCA, etc, etc, etc. Making a judgment for a whole denomination of thousands upon thousands, totally disregarding they are individuals, shows a total misunderstanding of Scripture.

Exactly! John of Japan is a saved brother and its unwise for others to say otherwise about him and other IFB.

 

[evangelist6589]

IFB churches are not Arminian. Most folks understand Arminians to believe a person can lose or forfeit their salvation. This is why I call myself a "non-Cal" and not an Arminian, although I am far more in agreement with Arminians than Calvinists.

And who I pray tell, is telling you that IFBs are not saved? Let me guess... Calvinists?

You are one mixed up person.

Why do you insult me personally? If you disagree with what I have said then prove me wrong, but spare the personal insults.

 

[Luke2427]

Actually, I am quite aware that many Arminians are not settled on this issue. But GENERALLY speaking, most people believe that Arminians believe you can lose or forfeit your salvation. You know that as well as I do.

Most Arminians also believe in Original Sin, but I do not. So again, while I am much closer to Arminianism than Calvinism, I am not an Arminian.

Now, do YOU get that?

So...

You admit that some Arminians believe eternal security.

And then you say that the reason you are not an Arminian is because you DON'T believe eternal security???

You are a pure trip, Sir.
:laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Why do you insult me personally? If you disagree with what I have said then prove me wrong, but spare the personal insults.

:thumbs::applause:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Fundamentalist movement is both antinomian and legalistic. That said, there are many people within the movement who are genuinely saved. Not everyone in the movement agrees with everything the movement espouses.

So you agree with RC Sproll on that atinomian label. I don't think any even the IFB would deny the legalistis nature but atinomian? I would like you to justify that since you brought it up. Thanks.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Fundamentalist movement is both antinomian and legalistic. That said, there are many people within the movement who are genuinely saved. Not everyone in the movement agrees with everything the movement espouses.

actually, some aspects just as you stated, but the original Fundamentalist Movements was a reaction by bible believing Conservatives to hold back the liberal/critical theology that even then creeping into seminaries and churches!

See the Fundamental papers by I think RA Torrey....