GAMBLING ESTABLISHMENTS

Personely I say "yes", beacause the Bible tells us to stay away from all apperance of evil. The key word is appearence. Would you go to a bar just to have a soda?

 

That says alot about you lack of Chritian character. Making an excuse to go into a bar and say you are wittnessing. It is the same thing to go to a whore house,"well, preacher I am only witnessing" yeah right!
You might not be drinking right now, but keep going to the bars and you'll probally end up drunk just like the rest of them. Have you no convictions? What's wrong with getting soda at a store, or pizza parlor? You see that is what is wrong with America. How are we supposed to help our country if God's people are just like them. The Bible(the only true Bible to KJB1611) still says "come out from among them and be ye seperate..." does that mean anything to you?

 

Dr. Bob thanks for the compliment!

 

It is most certainly sin for you to be seen in bars and gambling halls. Once we are saved all things are leagal for us all our sin is forgiven. The caveat here is we are required to avoid the appearnce of sin. Read Romans ch 14 esp verse 16 "Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I have been in similar situations in my christian walk but if you study this you will realize that the potential damage you cause to your witness far outwieghs any advantages of sodas in bars or dinners in casinos. You have to know that anyone who sees you in these places will assume that you drink and gamble. What happens if you try to witness to them? I'm not talking about your friends who know how you really are I'm talking about the guy three table over that you don't know. At some later time you get a chance to witness to them and all they can think is "what is this hippocrate talking about?" Plus you bring reproach to the body and person of Christ, your church and every member of it. Consider this, You also impinge the witness of others. I try to tell someone about Jesus and they find out I attend church with you and you (in thier mind) are a drunk (because they saw you leaving a bar) now they might think I'm a hippocrate and not hear my witness. Satan uses the littlest things like this to prevent the Gospel from spreading. I'm not saying that you drink to excess or at all or that you waste God diven resouces gambeling but it is sin for you to even be precived as do so.
all for now

Brian

 

Dr. Bob,
Should I attend clubs, parties, raves, even though I am not going to be drinking, drugging, dancing, I mean can I go there just for some soda and just to hang out? Should I go to the crack houses just to watch T.V. is any of that wrong, then?

 

AMEN to that Brian G. it is nice to know there are still men in here that has character.
Ken

 

Dr Bob
you posted while I was typing my reply. No in the world we can't avoid every thing that belongs to the world. Staying at a hotel that has a casino or bar( they most all have bars)doesn't mean you support the bar or what goes on in it. No more than if you receive medical treatment at a Catholic hospital making you catholic.
Ken's attack saddens me in its example of how many hide behind Chritianity and use it to hurt others.
Bugslife though really needs to look closer at this and I hope he will and not get turned off by how Ken dealt with this.
Ken is right in that a Christian has no business in bars.
Ken you are reprehensible in your tactics.
Better go before I get real wound up

 

Brian G.,
FYI I am not hiding behind Christianity but standing right next to it.
Thanks,
Ken

 

BTW, Brian it is not I who is doing the hurting. It is bugslife by his own actions, I am just shedding some LIGHT on the matter. If the truth hurts is it not truth anymore? Truth does not always pampers us, but is sometimes hurtful. Either way it is truth and I do not intend to change my way of thinking. That might not sound right to you but I am not perfect and neither are you.

[ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: ken ]

 

Ken the truth does in most cases hurt. In no way do I comprimise the Bible I am a King James kinda guy. Bugslife has some real big issues with looking like the world. Our same bible tells us that when a brother errs that we are to treat him as such. I think that in my post I made very clear what the Bible says and what a Christian should do. I did so biblicly and in such a way as to be listened to not just heard. As a Christian I want Bugslife to really cansider what I have to say not turn me off as a rabid fundie which I am. I know that you could have made your point without attacking him.So yes the way you responded to him saddens me.
Just because the truth does hurt doesn't mean that it hurts all the time. Correction of an erring brother should always start off friendly and kind. If he hears us we gain a brother if not then you go from there as the Lord leads.
BTW it seem that we agree on more things you and I than many on this board. It wasn't my intention to offend you either but strong words and actions should be our last option not first.
Brian

[ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Brian G ]

 

I agree Brian, I had no intention of at least sounding like I was Attacking Bugslife, so with that I appologize to both of you.

 

Walk into your average bingo parlor. See that woman over there? The one with the oxygen bottle and the three packs of cigarettes? She's got about 5 bingo cards in front of her, and about 20 pulltabs. That means she's spent at a minimum, $20 for the carton of cigarettes, I have no idea how much to get her oxygen bottle refilled, and between $40 and $60 for the bingo stuff. Let's call it an even $100. Which could have been spent on food, groceries, utility bills, clothes for her children....

Or how about that guy ahead of you in the convenience store? He's looking like he's got a big decision to make; yep, there he goes, handing the clerk a $5 bill and getting some lotto tickets in return. He hastily scratches all five cards, and apparently the droop in his shoulders means he didn't receive anything in return. As he pushes past you, you hear something about, "Hope I have enough gas to make it home...." As you're paying for your soda, you hear the second clerk shout, "Another gas drive off!" as he picks up the phone to call the cops....

There's that woman sitting at the slot machine--again. She's been there every night for the last three months. Gossip has it, her husband's leaving her because she can't get her gambling habit under control....

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The consequences of sin, folks. The appearance of evil.

What kind of message does it send when you, a Christian, frequent a place that literally breeds the kind of stories above?

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bugslife:
oh --- and not that it may matter one bit to any of you, but --- i am a girl -----please try to remember that when you talk about me ---- i guess i spend too much time on the women's boards.
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Well before I got to posting I did look at your profile and it doesn't indicate either way..In defense it seems that most posters to the forums I read are male.

 

alcohol consumption is wrong no matter where it is done church or at a bar.
And no to me it does not matter that you are a girl. Your right people never cease to amaze me either. Who would have ever thought of going to bars just to have soda. I am sorry you think my responses were called, and like I said earlier I did not intend to sound like I was attacking, but you had asked to have peoples opions(sp), so I gave you mine,I also gave some truth from the Bible, if the Word of God doesn't convict us, what will?
Remember as Christians whose name you are carrying, Christs. How would you like it if somebody used your name and commited illegal or immoral acts. I think you would act coldy yourself. So before you go ahead and blow me off, remember your representing Christ everywhere you go, and I don't think HE will enter in a bar or some other established place that is wrong to hang out and witness.
For His Name Sake,
Ken

 

Where in the Bible does it specifically say the gambling is a sin? Hmmm?