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God Eternally Existed Before ANYTHING else was made, correct?
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Tom Butler
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I'm not sure we know enough to say that God alone existed before he created the universe.
well Jesus created all things, so they had to exist before anything else did, corret?
quantumfaith
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If you are interested in some 'interesting" thoughts on the matter, read
Time and Eternity: Exploring God's Relationship with Time by William Lane Craig.
Short answer. YES!
Yes, absolutely.
yes, before anything else was created, God, in Triunity existed as uncreated beings in perfect unity of the consubstantial Godhead. :thumbs:
that seems to be where some have veered off , as seems to imply that somehow God was co xisting with say time/space, and can see why that might happen, as its essential impossible for finite time stuck beingsto fathom how a being is ternal, and existed in no time/space, just 'somewhere" not even there in space/time yet!
Doesn't he though believe that God created the Universe and made himself 'stuck" and restrained by time concept though?
How you come to these conclusions based on what was said is a greater mystery than the hypostatic union.
The existence of the Trinity does not suppose not does it need time and space for their being and acting. Ontologically necessary beings do not require nor do they need time and/or space to exist.
Look out, you're on the verge of getting attacked!
A number of people here are enamored of a video that allegedly helps explain the Triunity of God, but it uses spatial and dimensional terms to do it.
No one of the face of the earth knows anything about how God exists within space and time.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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I don't believe God is ruled by time and space. He exists above and beyond both. Nor does He obligate Himself to these limitations, except when He came as the Christ. He created all such dimensions, why would He be subject to them?
quantumfaith
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Not really called for....no one is "enamored". It was just one persons attempt to wrap their hands and mind around the concept of the Trinity using some rational and reasoned "mathematical" thoughts.
"Me thinks that thou dost protest too loudly"
Well, though I don't see any alteriative motives, they can bring it. I'm happy to thoroughly and robustly defend my (historically orthodox) positions.
Baptist Believer said:
God, in uncreated and eternal Triunity, is metaphysically simple in His composite parts. God exists outside of the laws of time and space and is beyond the need to be governed by such rules. If someone's version of god doesn't allow for these realities, you have an incorrect view of God. :saint:
I apologize for any offense. I am just surprised that anyone who knows Trinitarian theology would find the video acceptable. As RevMitchell has wisely pointed out on at least two occasions, we get into trouble when we speak beyond what the Bible teaches or draw conclusions as to exactly how God intersects with time.
I just wanted to give PiJ some backstory so he would have an idea how Yeshua1 came to his conclusions. It makes sense in the light of acceptance of the premise of the video.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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I will now ask in public what I asked in private: Please don't renew that debate. This thread is not about that video, and that discussion is done with. If you persist, we will have to wonder why you are so stubborn as to refuse to let go of a divisive, anger-inducing discussion, when to do so is the better part of Christian fellowship.
As you know, I sought an affirming answer to that request via PM. You would not give it. I now ask you in front of everyone else, since you have attempted twice now to renew that discussion after being asked nicely not to do so. To continue the argument over that video here on this thread would be to deliberately derail this thread, so please, again, as a brother in Christ, I ask you: Don't.
As you know, I sought an affirming answer to that request via PM. You would not give it. I now ask you in front of everyone else, since you have attempted twice now to renew that discussion after being asked nicely not to do so. To continue the argument over that video here on this thread would be to deliberately derail this thread, so please, again, as a brother in Christ, I ask you: Don't.
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I apologized to Quantum and explained why I brought it up.
I did give an affirmative response.
I've let it go. You just can't stand not to have the last word. Here's your chance yet again.
I agree with you that God existes outside His creation, as he is beyond any boundaries of time/space/energy/ matter, just saying that some seem to have tried to get Him stuck within and bound with the Laws of this Universe like time!
Don't some Christians though see Him as bound/restrained by Time and Space, or somehow have Him part of the Universe in some fashion, as He decided to be affected by time and "grow" with Humanity?