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God expects us to live up to the light we have.

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Claudia_T

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Steaver:


well I hope that you dont end up having to find out THE HARD WAY that God is going to hold you accountable for the light He has given to you:


Lk:12:47: And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Lk:12:48: But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


...and at that point Im SURE you wont be blaming the Seventh Day Adventists for just putting their own interpretation upon things.

Claudia
 
steaver

steaver

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Here is some "light" from God for you guys. It is not anything new as in a new revelation that adds to the Word of God, but it is the Word of God (Light).....

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

There you go! You have just received light from above. Go and eat whatever you please giving thanks to God.

God Bless!
 
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Claudia_T

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Steaver

so I take it you just didnt LIKE those Bible verses I just gave you about you being responsible for the light that is given to you?


thats what you have been whining about all this time.



Claudia
 
steaver

steaver

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well I hope that you dont end up having to find out THE HARD WAY that God is going to hold you accountable for the light He has given to you:


Lk:12:47: And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Lk:12:48: But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


...and at that point Im SURE you wont be blaming the Seventh Day Adventists for just putting their own interpretation upon things.

Claudia
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It still boils down to INTERPRETATION of what the Lord's will is for His children. SDA's put "light" into the equasion and then the question to the SDA's is what is your definition of this "light" and what it has appeared to be to me from these discussions is "interpretations" from above of the given Word. I believe this is wrong and that Light is Jesus Christ, the Word Himself as recorded in the scriptures.

Therefore light has been given in the Word and it is up to Christians to study and rightly divide that Word (Light).

God Bless!
 
steaver

steaver

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so I take it you just didnt LIKE those Bible verses I just gave you about you being responsible for the light that is given to you?


thats what you have been whining about all this time.



Claudia
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I just gave you light-scripture. Do you not like what it says? Will you not now go ahead and eat whatever you please with thanksgiving? Or will you still refuse the Lord's will?

God Bless!
 
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Claudia_T

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Steaver,

Bob has already been through all that with everyone concerning diet.

But here's some light for you:


1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


so much for Once Saved Always Saved.

Claudia
 
steaver

steaver

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1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


so much for Once Saved Always Saved.

Claudia
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Now let's not avoid the question and go rabbit trails, that is Bob's style....

Back to my question....

I just gave you light-scripture. Do you not like what it says? Will you not now go ahead and eat whatever you please with thanksgiving? Or will you still refuse the Lord's will?

God Bless!
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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steaver said:
Here is some "light" from God for you guys. It is not anything new as in a new revelation that adds to the Word of God, but it is the Word of God (Light).....

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

There you go! You have just received light from above. Go and eat ...
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Go and eat - rats cats dogs and bats???

Here is some "more light" for you Steaver. When quoting 1Tim 4:4 try to quote complete sentences -- in this case vs 4 AND 5.


4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
5for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

Then notice that what is sanctified by the Scriptures (the ALL scripture of 2Tim 3:16) when it comes to food is found in Lev 11.

There you go! You have just received light from above. Go and eat what God Himself declares to be food in the Scripture read by Timothy and Paul for it is that Scripture that Sanctifies by defining and teaching that which God Approves.

Or is this "inconvenient light"?

In Christ,

Bob
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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steaver said:
It still boils down to INTERPRETATION of what the Lord's will is for His children. SDA's put "light" into the equasion and then the question to the SDA's is what is your definition of this "light" and what it has appeared to be to me from these discussions is "interpretations" from above of the given Word.
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Good news friend! It was Already answered in the posts you are still ignoring Steaver! --

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Instead of avoiding this post -- address post 69 showing that you oppose the very methods used by the reformers. http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=940065&postcount=69

The same is shown in post 72 and 73 -- you simply ignore what you can not answer and then repeat some bogus argument nobody has MADE here!!
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...7&postcount=72

And I am guessing we can add
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...9&postcount=89

To the list of unnanswered posts...

Not to mention the example we have with Peter in the NT - REPOSTED here
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...&postcount=107

How in the world does that "SHOW" anything but the failure in your own position?

Just a thought.
 
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Claudia_T

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steaver said:
Now let's not avoid the question and go rabbit trails, that is Bob's style....

Back to my question....

I just gave you light-scripture. Do you not like what it says? Will you not now go ahead and eat whatever you please with thanksgiving? Or will you still refuse the Lord's will?

God Bless!
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I was just following your lead on the rabbit trails thing. :)
 
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Claudia_T

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1 Timothy 4:

3: and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving
5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


the problem is, this is talking about the meats "which God has created to be received" and those meats are found in Leviticus chapter 11 and Deuteronomy chapter 14.

all creaturs are good for food, PROVIDED they are the ones God has created to be received. He didnt create unclean animals to be received as FOOD.

and furthermore verse 5 says that the only ones created to be received for food are those that have been sanctified by THE WORD OF GOD (hey thats what I just said too)

Claudia
 
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Amy.G

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Claudia_T said:
Steaver,

Bob has already been through all that with everyone concerning diet.

But here's some light for you:


1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.


so much for Once Saved Always Saved.

Claudia
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What are His commandments? Is John referring to the 10 commandments? No.
1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing His sight.
3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love on another, as He gave us commandment.

This is why John says "he who says, "I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him". We are commanded by Christ to love on another. If we have no love for the brethren, we are not keeping His commandment. If we do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, we are not keeping His commandment. Therefore, if we do not keep these 2 commandments, we do not have the truth in us.
The 10 commandments (along with many more) were given to the Jews. We as Christians are not under that law, but the law of Christ. Here is the law of Christ:
1)believe on the name of Jesus Christ
2)love on another

"By this we know that we are in Him." (1 John 2:5)

Why oh why do NT Christians want to be held under the law of Moses?
 
steaver

steaver

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Then notice that what is sanctified by the Scriptures (the ALL scripture of 2Tim 3:16) when it comes to food is found in Lev 11.

There you go! You have just received light from above. Go and eat what God Himself declares to be food in the Scripture read by Timothy and Paul for it is that Scripture that Sanctifies by defining and teaching that which God Approves.

Or is this "inconvenient light"?

In Christ,

Bob
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Now we are getting you to show us the SDA position a little clearer. I can very well understand why you do not like to answer very pointed questions. So receiving "light" from above, according to what you just posted, is when EGW or a disciple of her's (that would be you) defines the correct interpretation of scripture to another person? And if I do not agree, then i am just being stubborn, closed minded, refusing to let go of my "traditions", and will now be held accountable for what Bob has shown me.

God Bless!
 
steaver

steaver

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What are His commandments? Is John referring to the 10 commandments? No.
1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing His sight.
3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love on another, as He gave us commandment.

This is why John says "he who says, "I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him". We are commanded by Christ to love on another. If we have no love for the brethren, we are not keeping His commandment. If we do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, we are not keeping His commandment. Therefore, if we do not keep these 2 commandments, we do not have the truth in us.
The 10 commandments (along with many more) were given to the Jews. We as Christians are not under that law, but the law of Christ. Here is the law of Christ:
1)believe on the name of Jesus Christ
2)love on another

"By this we know that we are in Him." (1 John 2:5)
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Ahhhh.....................How refreshing to see a sister in Christ has studied and has rightly divided the word of truth. :thumbs:

God Bless!
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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AMY: What are His commandments? …
1)believe on the name of Jesus Christ
2)love on another

"By this we know that we are in Him." (1 John 2:5)

Why oh why do NT Christians want to be held under the law of Moses?
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HP: Did not Jesus state that all the commandments could be expressed in two, loving God with your whole heart and your neighbor as thyself? I notice you say that Christians are only under the two you gave, but I see no indication of loving God. Could there possibly be three instead of two commandments?
 
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Amy.G

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:


HP: Did not Jesus state that all the commandments could be expressed in two, loving God with your whole heart and your neighbor as thyself? I notice you say that Christians are only under the two you gave, but I see no indication of loving God. Could there possibly be three instead of two commandments?
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Believe on the name of His son Jesus Christ. Can you believe on Jesus and not love God?
 
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Amy.G

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:


HP: Or is it 'can you love God without believing on His name?' The devils believe and tremble. Do they love God?
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The devils believe IN Jesus, not ON Jesus. We believe IN a lot of things and persons, but to "BELIEVE" on the Lord Jesus as used in this verse means:
to have faith in
to entrust one's spiritual well-being to
commit
put in trust with.
(strongs #4100)

This is not how the devils believe.
 
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