God expects us to live up to the light we have.

[steaver]

thats because its talking about the formation of the papacy. They forbid foods by fasting.

Are you serious! Telling a congregation to fast is what this is reffering to? You are indeed heavily blinded!

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

thats because its talking about the formation of the papacy. They forbid foods by fasting. When its talking about meats its talking about food in general and thats why it also talked about forbidding to marry.

Mt:9:10: And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Somehow Matt 9:10 supports that 1 Timothy 4 is speaking about fasting?? I don't see it, can you explain?

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

thats because its talking about the formation of the papacy. They forbid foods by fasting.

Please give your support for such a position. Scripture or EGW?

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

I shouldn't say "heavily blinded". But rather heavily indoctrinated by the SDA. They have an answer for everything even if it has no biblical foundation. You are just a willing participant.

God Bless!

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

HP: I am sometimes reminded of a sign on a Catholic property. It read “Trespassing is strictly forbidden! Violators will be punished to the full extent of the law!

Signed,
Sisters of Mercy

:wavey:

 

[steaver]

HP: That reminds me of the sign on a Catholic property. It read “Trespassing is strictly forbidden! Violators will be punished to the full extent of the law!

Signed,
Sisters of Mercy

Sorry...that blew right over my head :tonofbricks: I don't get it!

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Steavers: Sorry...that blew right over my head I don't get it!

HP: It was a tad bit on the far side. Sometimes I think I live I live there.:laugh:

Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

 

[steaver]

HP: I am sometimes reminded of a sign on a Catholic property. It read “Trespassing is strictly forbidden! Violators will be punished to the full extent of the law!

Signed,
Sisters of Mercy

I get this alone. I did not get how it went with my quote of "heavily blinded". I see you edited that out so now my "i don't get it" kinda looks really dumb...you know what I mean? :wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

HP: So you really could murder your neighbor with impunity?

There is no sin that the blood of Christ cannot cover. :saint:

 

[Brother Bob]

HP: I am sometimes reminded of a sign on a Catholic property. It read “Trespassing is strictly forbidden! Violators will be punished to the full extent of the law!

Signed,
Sisters of Mercy

Seems easy understood to me. Also, HP; when you pin them down on each and everyone, it leaves them standing with a shovel with the handle broken out of it.

 

[BobRyan]

Go and eat - rats cats dogs and bats???

Here is some "more light" for you Steaver. When quoting 1Tim 4:4 try to quote complete sentences -- in this case vs 4 AND 5.


4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
5for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

 

[BobRyan]

Instead of avoiding this post -- address post 69 showing that you oppose the very methods used by the reformers. http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=940065&postcount=69

The same is shown in post 72 and 73 -- you simply ignore what you can not answer and then repeat some bogus argument nobody has MADE here!!
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...7&postcount=72

And I am guessing we can add
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...9&postcount=89

To the list of unnanswered posts...

Not to mention the example we have with Peter in the NT - REPOSTED here
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...&postcount=107

How in the world does that "SHOW" anything but the failure in your own position?

Just a thought.

 

[BobRyan]

But of course - I just "had to look" to confirm that Steaver is still running from the Bible points made in those points ..

Ok -- continue then.

 

[BobRyan]

Steaver said

This leaves the second part of your statement disconnected from the first. The second part you imply that some "oppose" what it says while others "embrace" it. You have not made a connection between the giving of light with the reading of the scripture FOR CHRISTIANS.

Are you saying that those who disagree with your position has either 1) Chose to oppose it even though the Holy Spirit has given them light on the reading? Or 2) Simply disagree with your position because the Holy Spirit has NOT given them light on the reading of the scripture?

Both conditions exist - usually for the same person at the same time - but on different doctrinal points.

Recall the Lutheran and RC example in the previous post.

Steaver said

I am trying my best to explain my questions and inquiries. Maybe if I give an example...

without outlining all of the many scriptures dealing with the subject of let's say Sabbath keeping, let's assume that you and I have put every passage of scripture onto the board in the attempt to deliberate and reach a correct conclusion about the issue. We both pray as we study each passage. After all passages are studied and prayed over you conclude that Sabbath keeping is what God wants and I conclude that it is not.

Ok

Steaver said -


Now, how do you see my position? 1) I have read and received light from God but I am stubbornly rejecting it. 2) I have read and studied but I have not been given any light from God on this issue else I would see it as you do.

#1. If you used sound principles of exegesis and are open minded - you would accept Christ the Creator's Sabbath as He stated it "SO shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship from Sabbath to Sabbath" - so we know that in the New Heaven and New Earth (at the very latest) even you will come to accept this Truth of Scripture according to Is 66. That is beyond debate.

#2. I agree with you that rejection of this truth can either be because you are not being convicted on this point by the Holy Spirit -- as He is busy guiding you into some other doctrinal point that you have not accepted yet - OR you are simply choosiing to dredge up every roadblock possible to oppose what He is convicting. YET the Bible STILL remains abundantly clear on this point. Human nature - man-made tradition -- plus free will -- what a combination.

We know for example that many of the priests and Pharisees accepted Christ AFTER his resurrection though they opposed him BEFORE. Christ never argued that all jews were lost and going to hell when He was on earth. In fact He pointed to a number of them as being forgiven "your sins ARE forgiven go and sin no more" and were accepted by Him - in His fold while He had still others to gather in.

Hence the NT church evolving to the point of the Dark Ages is yet another example in History of the free will principle being pressed on the one hand by the sinful nature and traditions of man - and on the other hand by the convicting of truth by the Holy Spirit.

Notice in Matt 16 Peter is convicted on TRUTH about "who the Son of Man IS" -- but then when Christ takes Him to the NEXT truth in Matt 16 Peter said "OH No Lord may it never BE".

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Amy: There is no sin that the blood of Christ cannot cover.

HP: So, once again, can you murder your neighbor with impunity?

 

[Claudia_T]

Please give your support for such a position. Scripture or EGW?



steaver,



God Bless!

I wonr talk to you anymore steaver, your tactics are less than stellar. YOU are the one who keeps bringing up EGWhite, not us.

 

[steaver]

I wonr talk to you anymore steaver, your tactics are less than stellar. YOU are the one who keeps bringing up EGWhite, not us.

Well, if you are going to ask me questions that I cannot answer then I just simply am not going to discuss it any further! :wavey:

What scripture did you study that had you believe that Paul was speaking about fasting in 1 Timothy 4? Or is that a "less than stellar tactical" question and you will not answer?

Here is what i believe, I think the SDA church or EGW or another SDA individual told you that is what it means. Or did God speak to you from above through this "light" thing you speak of? I know you don't won't to answer, but that only cements my analysis!

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

HP: So, once again, can you murder your neighbor with impunity?

I think you need to define what type of impunity. There will most definitly be impunity while in the flesh. However, it will have no effect on a Christian's salvation for that is "eternal"...you know...Jesus said..."I give them eternal life".

Also you might be painting the word "murder" with a broad brush. Murder is not simply killing, it can be a cold calculated process or a moment of insane passion. And it can even be as simple as arboring hate in your heart for another according to Jesus. If you ever did this once in your life time, then you could be labeled a murderer. Paul actually carried out the deed. However Paul found Jesus Christ's mercy. Praise Jesus that His Grace is sufficient!

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

Woops! I guess I better slow down and read what you actually wrote. Impunity being the freedom from punishment rather than a punishment! So then the answer would be "no" , while in the flesh there would be consequences I'm sure. But punishment has already been paid in full for the child of God pertaining to eternal "salvation".

God Bless!

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Steavers: Paul actually carried out the deed. However Paul found Jesus Christ's mercy.


HP: What?? Where does it ever say that Paul murdered anyone? Can you find the passage where Paul tells us why God showed mercy to him? What is the difference between simply taking another’s life as an emissary of a government and murder? Do you even see a difference? Can you find the passage where Paul tells us why God showed mercy to him and used him as God did?