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God hates sin but we do not?

righteousdude2

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Here is a timely article in light of Bruce Jenner's mutilation of his body...



http://www.clayjones.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/We-Dont-Hate-Sin-PC-article.pdf

in this article these questions are addressed;

Do we comprehend the depth of the Canaanite sins?

Are we committing the same sins they did?

Do we fail to understand God's judgment against sin?

ICON, would tattoos, nose rings, tongue studs, those huge metal rings in the ears, etc. be considered sinful mutilation of the body too.

Jenner, Just call her Caitlyn, is quilty of more than body mutilation, but that is another thread?!
 

Iconoclast

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The article while restrained highlighted specific sins of both sexual and otherwise sinful practices . Leviticus 18 says the land vomited out the inhabitants.
Many of the laws against marking the body or piercings were to keep Israel separate from the heathen nations.
The case can be made that such activities are sinful in distorting man as an image bearer of God.
Gluttony is a sin.We are stewards of our bodies.
When sexual sin occurs we are joining our bodies to an unauthorized person distorting the union that God has intended for marraige alone.
The only time any piercing was done was concerning willing bondslaves using an awl.
 
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JamesL

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The premise is a bit of a misnomer. Numerous times, when God hurled out a list of restrictions to the Israelites in the wilderness, He said "When you enter the land..."

Context is key. If the "thing" was at the heart of the issue, the restrictions would have been relevant before they entered Canaan.

Why did they have to wait before tattoos were wrong? Why did they have to wait before it wrong to wear clothes made of two kinds of materials?

Because there's nothing wrong with many of the "things" except that those were expressions of worship, homage, fear, hope, of the false gods the Israelites would encounter.

Priests cutting their hair and marking their bodies to look like an image of a god they had created. The Canaanites did not honor their parents because they thought it was obvious the fertility gods had forsaken them.

It would be a good idea to study the Canaanite gods, and what they supposedly offered, and see how virtually every commandment given to Israel struck directly at a god.

The issue was not the "thing", but what the thing expressed. And that partaking in the thing would drag them away to the false gods
 

The Lone Ranger

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It would be a good idea to study the Canaanite gods, and what they supposedly offered, and see how virtually every commandment given to Israel struck directly at a god.

The issue was not the "thing", but what the thing expressed. And that partaking in the thing would drag them away to the false gods

Where can we read about these Canaanite Gods?
 

JamesL

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Start simple:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canaanite_deities

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_religion

http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible studies/canaan-gods.htm

http://www.theology.edu/canaan.htm



Buy some resources like:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0826468306/?tag=baptis04-20

When you go to that page, scroll down and see what others bought with it.


Or, you can scour internet sources. One of my favorites is Gordon College, where you can find short papers and dissertations, like:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...t84ccMBlfUC3YRmhg&sig2=c_cbDv4t4ZN3E0dtYNc-kA


Just google "gordon.edu" along with subject matter, and they have a plethora of useful items


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wpe3bql

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One of the classic books that touches on several demonic-related issues would be by the late Merrill F. Unger entitled Biblical Demonology: A Study of the Spiritual Forces Behind the Present World Unrest.

My copy is its 8th edition in 1970. It's available through Amazon at a very reasonable price and it may possibly be updated somewhat.

If a person wishes to delve deeply into this subject, you'd be hard pressed to find a more comprehensive work than this 250+ page paperback.
 

Iconoclast

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JamesL

The premise is a bit of a misnomer. Numerous times, when God hurled out a list of restrictions to the Israelites in the wilderness, He said "When you enter the land..."
Context is key. If the "thing" was at the heart of the issue, the restrictions would have been relevant before they entered Canaan.

As soon as God gave the commands they were relevant. Every command of God is Holy ,just ,and good.

Why did they have to wait before tattoos were wrong? Why did they have to wait before it wrong to wear clothes made of two kinds of materials?

They did not have to "wait". The language just indicates that when they go into the land they were going to be exposed to these things.

Because there's nothing wrong with many of the "things" except that those were expressions of worship, homage, fear, hope, of the false gods the Israelites would encounter.

If something is right or wrong is for God to declare to us.
Sexual activity in a marriage bed between a man and his wife is ordained of God. Any other sexual activity is prohibited. Canaanite sin and perversion was wrong and lead to the land itself being defiled.

20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

These sins were filthy abominations that were not to be "tolerated".


Priests cutting their hair and marking their bodies to look like an image of a god they had created. The Canaanites did not honor their parents because they thought it was obvious the fertility gods had forsaken them.

It would be a good idea to study the Canaanite gods, and what they supposedly offered, and see how virtually every commandment given to Israel struck directly at a god.

The article in the OP deals with enough specifics to get the idea.

The issue was not the "thing", but what the thing expressed. And that partaking in the thing would drag them away to the false gods

You do not know this unless you can show a positive command that allows the "thing":thumbs:
 

JamesL

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You do not know this unless you can show a positive command that allows the "thing":thumbs:

Yeah, read Genesis 9, where God said "every living thing is yours to eat"

Yet certain living things were forbidden for Israel

Then Peter had a vision of the sheet, whereGod once again said every living thing is good for food

:thumbs: your turn
 
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