God is Light and E= mc2

Again, what does this have to do with the forum topic?

 

Again, what does this have to do with the forum topic?

 

There is no apparent relevance to God's perspective, and that doesn't make it critically relevant anyway. Please take some time to show how this is relevant.

 

Ben, you have to start with your foundation on scripture, and let scripture comment on it. Vague at best philosophy means little here. Open theism is a heresy and won't work around here...God is the Aleph and the Tau. He is complete, outside of the dimension of time. The future will happen to the very sparrow of every tree to every rain drop fallen. It is so to the glory of God for His purpose which is His Chief end.

 

Ben.

...respection... I see you don't just twist words you also invent new ones. I had to look it up to see if it was real or not. You should send it to Merriam Webster for inclusion, it looks good. Maybe it will include itself.

From creative work but the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word... Heb 1:3. To this day He works. Servant King that He is.
He sustains all things which means He is always working. Simple.

If this is true then Jesus lied because at that time He was not working. Vain you are. To call Jesus a liar! even though God is at rest Jesus said He was working

He is not very far away from you, not as far as you hope and that a truth. Where is he this god of yours? Up in Heaven! How do you know he may have nipped out down the pub for a pint? A nice place to rest up. Moe's!

And it's a fool who says there is no God.

The Gates of Hell never prevail. For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 2: Cor 4:6.

You say God is light, now stop me if I'm wrong but isn't light made up of things?
Why are you confusing the light mentioned of God and the light made up of things?
Do you know what dark light is. The stuff Jesus mentions. The light in you is darkness how dark then is that darkness? What sort of light is that?

johnp.

 

Ben,
Still didn't give scripture.... the onus is on you my friend.
Study history... ALL the heretics where Arminians since the council of Carthage over 1600 years ago! If you don't know history, you're condemned to repeat it. Keep on following your Greg Boyd friends too, you'll find your on the short end of the stick.

 

You keep avoiding HISTORY. Our church fathers are not to be pushed aside Ben. You cute quips are meaningless and show a lack of understanding to say the least. The only scripture you used was not to support your view of God not knowing the future but one of working or not working. You are commiting eisogesis in the worst way by interjecting the knowledge of God into those texts. In order to talk about God's knowledge you must use verses that refer to it, exegesis 101.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha !!! That's the most uneducated statement I think I ever heard on this board!!!
If I REALLY knew history, I would know this? GREAT come back Ben... Try backing it up with some history.... ALL not some but ALL councils and synods have backed up Paulinian, Augustinian theology of total depravity and predestination and election!! From Carthage, Orange, Dort, I can go on for hours !! hahah hahahah ! Man that's funny... give me some more Pelagius!

 

And the question of God resting and working is not a problem at all.. Theologically or scientifically. God created time and is outside time, big deal. TIme is material and is relative to the 2nd law and can be manipulated ... wow...big deal...The notion that time has an end also implies SET destinies that HAVE BEEN DETERMINED. Time and man has beginning and an end and it has a purpose according to the glory of God in which man is a pawn.

 

Please post the scripture that says so!

 

Spin a TOP, you know, one of those toys that you wrap a string around, then holding one end of the string, you toss the TOP away from you thus spinning the top. It is work to wrap the string on the TOP and it is Work to toss the top so that it spins. But while the top is spinning, are you doing a work? Once the top is in motion do you continue to work, or are you resting while watching the top spin?

The father's work is that we believe in His Only Begotten Son, Jesus. Jesus told us, "It is finished" then gave up his spirit and died. What is finished? God's work of redemption is completed, there is no more work for God to do. He has given us EVERY REASON to believe, now the believing is up to us! There is no work in humanity's possessing of saving FAITH, for Salvation is NOT OF WORKS. And FAITH is the only human requirement for Salvation.

The work of God for man's salvation is FINISHED! It is now up to humanity to either believe and have everlasting life (salvation), or 'not believe' and seal our eternal destiny to the lake of fire.

God Gave us his Word, His Son, and His Grace. It is up to us to believe the Word and Have faith in His Son while God is in his state of GRACE. Furthermore, God gives each generation "forerunners" of the Christ...those who tell us of the Christ, which prepares our hearts to receive the Christ. Those forerunners are those who preach and teach the Gospel of Christ. Some call them pastors, some evangelists, some missionaries, and others, call them friends. No matter who says what it is that 'persuades you' to open your heart to the Gospel message, it that one to who whom you owe gratitude for doing or saying so.

Yes, the work of the father is finished. His next act will be the pouring our of his wrath in retribution upon all who failed to hear, believe and submit to him. The time of the gentiles will have ended. Now is the day of salvation...Don't miss it!

 

Ben,
Still no history (don't know it?) and no scripture (don't know it?). I won't give answers (to which I have) unless you can state a premise on scripture FOUNDING your view, and not a post-modernistic, humanistic, philosophical negative of another...

The Roamn Catholic view isn't semi-Pelagian? Even the great Catholic theologian Jenson acknowledged this...please... I think you got on a forum that is alittle over your head Ben. Little quips saying "your replies show your ignorance" does nothing but show us who is really the ignorant one.

 

Wes.

Jesus says the FATHER is still working johnp.

John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

GE 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

He is resting from His creative work of making something out of nothing like Ben still does!

HEB 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.
You are in the condition that those who fell in the wilderness were in. We must cross the Jordan in faith to enter God's rest. Once in His rest you are to rest from your own labours, your own righteous deeds.

Not His next act Wes. He is always at work. Judgement Day is not an act of creation as such I don't think. It is more of a destructive act and the New Heavens and New Earth are more of a restoration of the original bits rather than a brand new creation but I'm not familiar with all the arguments surrounding the renewal.

How's that then?

johnp.