God's Acts of rejection are the opposite of God's Acts of election.

[Alan Gross]

"reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them", (Jeremiah 6:30).

1 Samuel 15:26, "And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel."


1 Samuel 10:24; "And Samuel said to all the people, See ye him whom the LORD hath chosen, that there is none like him among all the people? And all the people shouted, and said, God save the king."

How can someone who elects themselves be an expert on election and not teach that God's Activity of rejection is the opposite of God's Activity of election?

 

[atpollard]

How can someone who elects themselves be an expert on election and not teach that God's Activity of rejection is the opposite of God's Activity of election?

Could you rephrase the question?
"someone who elects themselves" ... this part confuses me.

Anyway, there is a difference between God choosing (electing) a person to be a "blessed" ruler of a nation and later withdrawing that "blessing" for the ruler. We must not forget WHY God chose Saul to be King: Saul was exactly the sort of king that the people od Israel wanted when they REJECTED GOD as their King. King Saul, even with God's blessing, was always a punishment for a rebellious people to teach them a lesson about human judgement (outer appearances) and God's judgement (the heart). That is why God first gave the people what THEY wanted in a king (Saul) and then what God wanted in a king (David).

That said, the words of Job are still true ... "The LORD gives and takes away, Blessed be the name of the LORD!" God, the Potter, makes from the same lump some vessels for honor and some for distruction ... because that is His right as the Potter.

 

[Alan Gross]

There are people on the board, here, that have a Testimony that they elect themselves to Eternal Salvation.

Maybe someone who elects themselves and somehow becomes an expert on election, uses the word "reprobate",

"Reprobate" is a Scriptural phrase and ascribed to God, and it is the Act of Rejection by God which gives the name of 'reprobate' to any who have been rejected by God, and is the foundation of that "reprobate" character,

"reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them", (Jeremiah 6:30) and stands opposed to election, (1 Samual 15:26, 10:24)

Rejection of some Angels and some Human Beings is a Bible Doctrine.

"This Doctrine of Rejecting some Angels and some men from the Divine Favor is spoken of sparingly in scripture, yet clearly and plainly; though chiefly left to be concluded from that of election, and from whence it most naturally and rationally follows. I shall begin with,

1. "The rejection of some of the angels, which consists of two parts:

1a. "A non-election, or preterition of them, a passing over them or passing by them, when others were chosen; and which may be concluded from the choice of others;

for if some were elect, others must be non-elect;

if some were chosen, others were not;

if some were taken, others must be passed by and left:

that some of them are elect is certain,
they are expressly called "elect angels",.....

"I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality."

1 Timothy 5:21

.....1b. "The appointment of them to wrath and damnation;

in this they were viewed as sinful, fallen creatures;

this Decree is meant by their being
"reserved in everlasting chains under darkness,
unto the Judgment of the Great Day",...

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude 1:6;

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

2 Peter 2:4

for by chains are meant the Purposes and Decrees of God, by which they are bound and held fast, and from which they cannot loose themselves; and as the decrees of God are called "mountains of brass",

"And I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of brass."

Zechariah 6:1


Adapted from original reference, here: 3. The Decrees of Rejection, of Some Angels, and of Some Men. - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio

 

[Alan Gross]

How many Individual Human Beings were Rejected?

One was Rejected by God, we know,
"for though chosen to an office, as an apostle,
yet not to grace and glory," (John 17:12)


"While I was with them in the world,
I kept them in thy name:

those that thou gavest me I have kept,
and none of them is lost,

but the son of perdition;
that the scripture might be fulfilled."

John 17:12

How many Individual Human Beings were Rejected by God
and Not Chosen and Not Elected, from Eternity Past,
to Be Given The Grace of Eternal Life???

"2a. "First, I shall prove that there is a non-election,*
or rejection of some of the sons of men,
when others were chosen;

"...and, indeed, from the election of some,
may fairly be inferred, the non-election of others.

"Common sense tells us, that of persons or things,
if some are chosen, others must be left:

"...if there is a remnant of the sons of men,
according to the election of grace,
then there are others not included in it,
which are left unchosen, and are called the rest.

"The election", that is, elect men, "hath obtained it", righteousness and eternal life;

...."and the rest were blinded" (Rom. 11:5, 7).

Our Lord says,

"I speak not of you all; I know whom I have chosen",

(John 13:18) plainly intimating, that all were not chosen,

....and it is certain one was not,
and whom he calls "the son of perdition";

...one, not only deserving of it, but appointed to it;

....for though chosen to an office, as an apostle,
yet not to grace and glory, (John 17:12)

....and how many such there be,
no man can pretend to say;"

*Adapted from original reference, here: 3. The Decrees of Rejection, of Some Angels, and of Some Men. - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio

 

[Iconoclast]

How many Individual Human Beings were Rejected?

One was Rejected by God, we know,
"for though chosen to an office, as an apostle,
yet not to grace and glory," (John 17:12)


"While I was with them in the world,
I kept them in thy name:

those that thou gavest me I have kept,
and none of them is lost,

but the son of perdition;
that the scripture might be fulfilled."

John 17:12

How many Individual Human Beings were Rejected by God
and Not Chosen and Not Elected, from Eternity Past,
to Be Given The Grace of Eternal Life???

"2a. "First, I shall prove that there is a non-election,*
or rejection of some of the sons of men,
when others were chosen;

"...and, indeed, from the election of some,
may fairly be inferred, the non-election of others.

"Common sense tells us, that of persons or things,
if some are chosen, others must be left:

"...if there is a remnant of the sons of men,
according to the election of grace,
then there are others not included in it,
which are left unchosen, and are called the rest.

"The election", that is, elect men, "hath obtained it", righteousness and eternal life;

...."and the rest were blinded" (Rom. 11:5, 7).

Our Lord says,

"I speak not of you all; I know whom I have chosen",

(John 13:18) plainly intimating, that all were not chosen,

....and it is certain one was not,
and whom he calls "the son of perdition";

...one, not only deserving of it, but appointed to it;

....for though chosen to an office, as an apostle,
yet not to grace and glory, (John 17:12)

....and how many such there be,
no man can pretend to say;"

*Adapted from original reference, here: 3. The Decrees of Rejection, of Some Angels, and of Some Men. - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio

1 sam2:
30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

31 Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.

32 And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.

33 And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.

34 And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them.


Acts12::
21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.

22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

 

[Revmitchell]

How can someone who elects themselves

So who was it that claimed they elected themselves?

 

[Alan Gross]

So who was it that claimed they elected themselves?

That means they are lost.

The testimony they profess is that they are lost.

Anyone with a, "I've got the power", for their supposed 'Salvation song, or that it is 'their Faith' that God in turn Rewards Value and 'credits their faith for rightousness', or says that 'the Gift of Faith' God Gives is the 'opportunity to chose to believe or not' are all false professions, based on damnable herecies as Accursed as all other 'gospels' that BLOODLESS, CHRIST LESS, and Indicate NO AWARENESS, CONVICTION, or REPENTENCE from ANYTHING.

"Easy Believism" is Anti-Christ and the reason so many 'bible' associated people DO NOT LOVE or AGREE with God.

The lost soul has never 'been lost' or Repeated TO AGREE with GOD.

To point out the individuals would a forbidden accusation.

The wording of their's includes God Electing them and also, at times, God Writing their name in The Lamb's Book of Life', after they give God permission.

The posts specifically pertinent to answer your Inquisition and Accusation against me included them gaining 'salivation', and being the one that ELECTED to 'believe'.

Look 'em up.

I can' t say.

Just don't search, blood, turn, sin, without strength, lost, blind, wicked, worm, sinner, haters of God, Anti-Christ, The Mark of The Beast, the unpardinable sin, New Birth, Born Again, Regenerated, darkness, hopelessness, helplessness, Gospel, Death, Burial, Resurrection, Mercy Seat, Lamb of God, etc.

It won't be in a post where they talk about anything Christian.

 

[Alan Gross]

1 sam2:
30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

31 Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.

32 And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.

33 And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.

34 And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them.


Acts12::
21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.

22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.

23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

Bible verses don't hurt anyone to read.

There are some Bible verses quoted and some are in green font.

Is an 'imprecatory' characteristic attributed to someone, or Someone, the direction you are taking us, with these verses?

 

[Iconoclast]

Bible verses don't hurt anyone to read.

There are some Bible verses quoted and some are in green font.

Is an 'imprecatory' characteristic attributed to someone, or Someone, the direction you are taking us, with these verses?

I believe these persons were reprobated in time.

 

[Alan Gross]

I believe these persons were reprobated in time.

Yes, in the Course of Time, I believe they presented full indication that they Had Not Been Chosen to Experience Eternal Life, and that in my mind, would be in The Mind of God, from 'old', from 'ancient times,' in 'time past', from all Eternity Past.

 

[Particular]

By virtue of human corruption and by virtue of God's righteousness, it would be just if God rejected all humans.
The surprising and amazing thing is not the rejection of man, it is that God would graciously atone for even one person and receive them through Jesus propitiation. How strangely amazing is that.

 

[Revmitchell]

That means they are lost.

The testimony they profess is that they are lost.

Anyone with a, "I've got the power", for their supposed 'Salvation song, or that it is 'their Faith' that God in turn Rewards Value and 'credits their faith for rightousness', or says that 'the Gift of Faith' God Gives is the 'opportunity to chose to believe or not' are all false professions, based on damnable herecies as Accursed as all other 'gospels' that BLOODLESS, CHRIST LESS, and Indicate NO AWARENESS, CONVICTION, or REPENTENCE from ANYTHING.

"Easy Believism" is Anti-Christ and the reason so many 'bible' associated people DO NOT LOVE or AGREE with God.

The lost soul has never 'been lost' or Repeated TO AGREE with GOD.

To point out the individuals would a forbidden accusation.

The wording of their's includes God Electing them and also, at times, God Writing their name in The Lamb's Book of Life', after they give God permission.

The posts specifically pertinent to answer your Inquisition and Accusation against me included them gaining 'salivation', and being the one that ELECTED to 'believe'.

Look 'em up.

I can' t say.

Just don't search, blood, turn, sin, without strength, lost, blind, wicked, worm, sinner, haters of God, Anti-Christ, The Mark of The Beast, the unpardinable sin, New Birth, Born Again, Regenerated, darkness, hopelessness, helplessness, Gospel, Death, Burial, Resurrection, Mercy Seat, Lamb of God, etc.

It won't be in a post where they talk about anything Christian.

So no one. I see

 

[Alan Gross]

By virtue of human corruption and by virtue of God's righteousness, it would be just if God rejected all humans.
The surprising and amazing thing is not the rejection of man, it is that God would graciously atone for even one person and receive them through Jesus propitiation. How strangely amazing is that.

Perfectly Amazing and Glorious.

 

[Alan Gross]

So no one. I see

Guessing disappoints you, not me.

Stop.

You have to rule not to accuse people of being lost and tell me to name who I believe is lost.

Same as discouraging others and humiliating them, publically, from participating in posting, as if your privilege to post should not be revoked, for doing so.

Retire.

 

[Revmitchell]

I have not accused anyone of being lost as in not saved. I did say someone was lost as in did not have a clue what they were talking about. Neither did I tell you to name who is lost. Those words never came out of my mouth. But I do see that your hypercalvinism is open in that in your world if one is not a calvinist one is lost. This is complete extremism and should have no place in reasonable Christian discussions.

 

[Particular]

This passage seems to say that God has ordained some for punishment.

"to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment"

2 Peter 2:4-10 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,

and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,

and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.

 

[Alan Gross]

This passage seems to say that God has ordained some for punishment.

"to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment"

2 Peter 2:4-10 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,

and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment,

and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.

All sinners have earned Hell, for their sins against God.

Noone would be Saved from their sins, if God Had Not Chosen to Devise The Eternal Plan of Salvation, in The Giving Covenant of Unmerited Grace.

Any use of Literature, by God, such as "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

and, "and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:", God Knows How to Do that, because the Passage says He Does.

So, How Does God Do such a thing?

He Leaves them right where they want to be, hating God, and loving sin, as Natural born desentance of Adam all do.

Positively, He Didn't Elect them.

Negatively, He Did nothing.