Santiago M Anaya
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Hello "ALL"..Peace of Christ...Who "ABOLISHED JESUS"S LAW?!! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS..Can anyone here print the versicle please...Brother James
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God's Law...
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The question & answer are complicated -
first, why do you think somebody "ABOLISHED JESUS"S LAW?!! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?" ????
and if anybody did, what was their authority to do so?
There is a simple answer to a related question - "Did Jesus abolish the Old Covenant Law, so that sinners can be forgiven without keeping the Law to perfection?"
I think that is the question you are asking.
Read Exodus 19 which is the introduction to the 10 commandments listed in Exo. 20. The key verses are -
5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.’
7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, ‘We will do everything the Lord has said.’ So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord.
7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, ‘We will do everything the Lord has said.’ So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord.
The IF in verse 5 shows that the Old Covenant is conditional on full obedience. And the provision of sacrifices for sin showed that God made provision for the forgiveness of those who failed to live in full obedience.
All of us are sinners & fail under the Old Covenant. A New Covenant was needed, as promised in Jeremiah 31.
Jesus was born an Israelite, Son of God & Son of Man by the virgin Mary, into the family line of Abraham & David. He lived under the Old Covenant Law in perfect obedience as Man for mankind. Bearing our sins, he died as Man for the sins of mankind, and rose from the dead in triumph over Satan & sin. After 40 days teaching the Apostles about his Kingdom, and commissioning them to preach the Gospel to all nations, he ascended into heaven. From heaven the Holy Spirit was poured out first on the Apostles, then on all who received the Gospel message. Acts 2.
The message of salvation is that all mankind are condemned as sinners for breaking God's Commandments. God through Christ, as Man for mankind kept the Law so that when we come to God as repentant sinners, trusting in the life, death & resurrection of Jesus, we are given a new life - born again, as Jesus explains in John 3.
To come to your question!
The Commandments stand to the end of time to condemn sinners. Believers in the LORD Jesus Christ who have repented of their sins are not living under the Law - we're not required to keep it for our salvation, but the indwelling Holy Spirit writes the Law in our hearts, so we live in obedience to his life lived in us. We are certainly NOT free to break the commandments but of course we all fail to keep them to the perfection Jesus did.
Our salvation does not depend on our obedience to the Commandments & other Laws. It depends on repentance & a living and active faith in Jesus as LORD & Saviour. We are given the Holy Spirit dwelling in our hearts to keep us living as Christians, not yet in perfect obedience, but living as children of God in general obedience.
Our baptism as believers is a sign of our repentance, burial of our old sinful self, cleansing from sin in Jesus' blood, & rising to live a new life through Jesus. We share the Lord's Supper of bread & wine, the wine representing the blood of the New Covenant, and the bread representing the Word of God which feeds our spiritual life.
Hope that helps.
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Covenanter.. Peace of Christ...You say>>>The IF in verse 5 shows that the Old Covenant is conditional on full obedience. <<< So!! YOu mean we don't have to "OBEY JESUS'S LAW"+ The eleven Commandments?!!! Enlight me please...
You say>>>All of us are sinners & fail under the Old Covenant. A New Covenant was needed, as promised in Jeremiah 31.<<< O.K... And with who was this New Covenant would be made with? With the people of Israel and the tribe of Judah...Not with the gentiles...And it also says that the Ten Commandments would be written in our hearts, so we do not forget as the literal Israel did...
I'm going to ask you something and I hope you give me an honest question: Romans 4:15 Because the Law "BRINGS WRATH"=(The God of Abraham gets mad for not obeying it); But! Where there "IS NO LAW...THERE IS NO SIN" + 5:For before The Law "WAS GIIVEN"=(To Adam and Eve) sin was in the world.(lucifer has been cast down to earth)..But "SIN IS NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT" where there is NO LAW...See!.. Now! Explain that to me, because if it is true then all Lawless people "IS ALREADY SAVED" and?!! Only few will go into hell, "ALL THE LAW KEEPERS"..And?!! ALL BIBLES SAY: That the gate of the lawless people is "WIDE"=(meaning many, many people) also all bibles says that "The Rejecting of the Law" is "A CURSE", and Jesus Himself says: That all the cursed lawless will be sent to Hell..Mathew 25:41 ..Is Jesus a liar?!!! I will wait for your answers....Brother James.....
You say>>>All of us are sinners & fail under the Old Covenant. A New Covenant was needed, as promised in Jeremiah 31.<<< O.K... And with who was this New Covenant would be made with? With the people of Israel and the tribe of Judah...Not with the gentiles...And it also says that the Ten Commandments would be written in our hearts, so we do not forget as the literal Israel did...
I'm going to ask you something and I hope you give me an honest question: Romans 4:15 Because the Law "BRINGS WRATH"=(The God of Abraham gets mad for not obeying it); But! Where there "IS NO LAW...THERE IS NO SIN" + 5:For before The Law "WAS GIIVEN"=(To Adam and Eve) sin was in the world.(lucifer has been cast down to earth)..But "SIN IS NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT" where there is NO LAW...See!.. Now! Explain that to me, because if it is true then all Lawless people "IS ALREADY SAVED" and?!! Only few will go into hell, "ALL THE LAW KEEPERS"..And?!! ALL BIBLES SAY: That the gate of the lawless people is "WIDE"=(meaning many, many people) also all bibles says that "The Rejecting of the Law" is "A CURSE", and Jesus Himself says: That all the cursed lawless will be sent to Hell..Mathew 25:41 ..Is Jesus a liar?!!! I will wait for your answers....Brother James.....
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Covenanter... Peace of Christ....You say>>> We are given the Holy Spirit dwelling in our hearts to keep us living as Christians, not yet in perfect obedience, but living as children of God in general obedience. <<<
Where in your bible or any bible says that you have the Holy Spirit in you?!!! versicles please...
Have a Super Mega, Holy, Loving, Joyful, Wonderful, Peaceful, Sabbath-Day as I am having...Brother James...
Where in your bible or any bible says that you have the Holy Spirit in you?!!! versicles please...
Have a Super Mega, Holy, Loving, Joyful, Wonderful, Peaceful, Sabbath-Day as I am having...Brother James...
Try Romans 8:9-11. I think you'll find there are several others.
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Martin Marprelate...So!! YOu mean and believe that every person who reads those versicles have the Holy Spirit?!!! jeh!, jeh!, jeh!, jeh!,. that fellow lucifer is very, very tricky,.tricky.tricky fellow...I will use your article so the people of the church, can have an idea of how lucifer works...Thanks a million...Brother James...
You asked for a verse; I gave you one. Not my problem if you don't like it.
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Martin.. Peace of Christ....You say<<Then I will go to the altar of God, to God my exceeding joy' Psalm 43:4.<<<<
The person who says those words is King David a Hebrew-Israelite...Not a gentile....Why do you cuote from the old testament if you=The catholics and protestants do not accept?!!!
You say>>John was a Baptist, <<<<< You are 1000000% INCORRECT!!! John was "The Baptizer" no a baptist.....See!!! You say>>> so was his Master<<<< Jesus the Christ was not a baptist either, He was the baptizer too = Matthew 3:11 + Mark 1:8 +Luke 3:16 + Col. 2:13....SEEEEE!!!!
You say<<<and so am I.<<<< O.K.. You are 1000000000000% CORRECT!!!
Brother James....
The person who says those words is King David a Hebrew-Israelite...Not a gentile....Why do you cuote from the old testament if you=The catholics and protestants do not accept?!!!
You say>>John was a Baptist, <<<<< You are 1000000% INCORRECT!!! John was "The Baptizer" no a baptist.....See!!! You say>>> so was his Master<<<< Jesus the Christ was not a baptist either, He was the baptizer too = Matthew 3:11 + Mark 1:8 +Luke 3:16 + Col. 2:13....SEEEEE!!!!
You say<<<and so am I.<<<< O.K.. You are 1000000000000% CORRECT!!!
Brother James....
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello....Peace of Christ....You say>Our salvation does not depend on our obedience to the Commandments & other Laws. It depends on repentance & a living and active faith in Jesus as LORD & Saviour. We are given the Holy Spirit dwelling in our hearts to keep us living as Christians, not yet in perfect obedience, but living as children of God in general obedience.>>>> If you do not have God's Law to Obey, you are not a sinner...So why do you need Jesus for?!!He says that He came to save those under the Law, those who are sinners....You are not a sinner, since you have never broke the law 'cause you have no Law to break...>>>You say>>>but living as children of God in general obedience.>>> My bible says this: 1 Thess. "Cause God didn't called us to live a Lawless-Sinful,Wicked, Ungodly, Unrighteous etc. Life...But to live a "HOLY, GODLY LIFE"...And that takes His Holy Law and Baptism in His Name and His Holy "ONENESS" acknowledged and accepted and honored.......2 Timothy 1:9 Jesus died and called us to live a "HOLY GODLY LIFE"....Brother James....
Ian said:
James said:
James said:
James, you seem to very very confused. Are you here to learn, or to present your own doctrines?
Paul in Romans 3 teaches that all mankind are sinners, with & without the Law:
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
‘There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.’
‘There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.’
He proves that by quoting Psalm 14. God gave the commandments for Israel to obey under the Old Covenant, but sin certainly abounded before the Law was given. And after.
All mankind, with or without the Law are guilty sinners. Jesus came into the world as a Jew, born under the Law. He kept every commandment to perfection, as man & for man, both Jew & Gentile. He died for sinners, bearing our sin.
Forgiveness is not automatic - the Gospel command is to repent & be baptised in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin. That forgiveness is received by faith, & we receive the baptise of the Holy Spirit as we are born again as children of God.
1689Dave
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The TEN Commandments ARE the Old Covenant the New Covenant replaced them.
In Exodus 34:28 we read: “And He (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.”
Deuteronomy 4:13: “And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the Ten Commandments.”
Deuteronomy 9:9: “When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.”
Deuteronomy 9:15: “So I turned and came down from the mount . . . and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.”
Deuteronomy 10:8: “At that time the LORD set apart the tribe of Levi to carry the ark of the LORD’s covenant, to stand before the LORD to serve him, and to formulate blessings in his name, as they do to this very day.”
And Jeremiah and Hebrews say Christ replaced the Old Covenant with the New.
““Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord. “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33) (NET)
“For if that first covenant had been faultless, no one would have looked for a second one. But showing its fault, God says to them, “Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will complete a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. “It will not be like the covenant that I made with their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not continue in my covenant and I had no regard for them, says the Lord. “For this is the covenant that I will establish with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and I will inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God and they will be my people. “And there will be no need at all for each one to teach his countryman or each one to teach his brother saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ since they will all know me, from the least to the greatest. “For I will be merciful toward their evil deeds, and their sins I will remember no longer.” When he speaks of a new covenant, he makes the first obsolete. Now what is growing obsolete and aging is about to disappear.” (Hebrews 8:7–13) (NET)
Since Christ abolished the Old Covenant, we use the Ten Commandments for instruction and commentary in defining outward sin. But Before the Ten Commandments and during the time of the Old Covenant, believers like Abraham had the two great commandments written in their heart. Just as believers today.
If love motivates your thoughts and actions, you won't want to steal or murder. Instead of stealing you will want to give. Instead of murdering you will love your enemies and bless them instead.......
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Covenanter... Peace of Christ... You say>>We are given the Holy Spirit dwelling in our hearts to keep us living as Christians, not yet in perfect obedience, but living as children of God in general obedience.>>>> And!! What is General Obedience to YOU...?!!!!
You say>>He proves that by quoting Psalm 14. God gave the commandments for Israel to obey under the Old Covenant, but sin certainly abounded before the Law was given. And after. <<<
You are 100000% INCORRECT!!! Your bible and my bible and all bibles say this: 1 John 3:4 Sin is the REJECTING/BREAKING OF GOD'S LAW...Adam and Eve sinned?!! How? The God of Abraham "RESTED" On the Seventh Day of Creation= Gen 2:1-3..How? If there was no Law then..Explain that to me.. God's Law was written by His "OWN FINGER" in two stone tablets, Mose's Law was written by Moses in a book, The Stone tablets were and are inside the Ark of the Covenant, Mose's Law was outside the Ark of the Covenant...Ezra 7:6 This Ezra came up from Babylon. He was "A TEACHER WELL VERSED IN 'THE LAW OF MOSES'S"...10 For Ezra "DEVOTED" himself to the STUDY and ONSERVAN OF THE LAW OF "YHWH"...I believe what you believe for 50 years while I attended the catholic church and the protestant denominations, so I know were you are, have been and will be..I did what the Holy Spirit says: Rev. 18:4 "COME OUT OF 'HER'....'MY PEOPLE'".....See! You still there...I CAME OUT...READ
Rev. 14:12 This calls for the patience and undurance of the part of "THE SAINTS" who "OBEY 'GOD'S COMMANDMENTS'-(Not Moses's Commandments) and REMAIN "FAITHFUL 'TO JESUS'"...See!!!! Read "AGAIN"= Rev. 22:14 "BLESSED" ARE THOSE "WHO KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS"=(Again God's Commandments not Moses's Commandments) And have the RIGHT "TO THE TREE OF LIFE" and MAY GO THROUGH THE GATES INTO "THE CITY"=(The Celestial Jerusalem)...See!
Paul says: 1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision means nothing and uncircumcision means nothing, "KEEPING GOD'S LAW "IS WHAT COUNTS"...Paul says to Imitate Him as He Imitate Jesus The Christ...Jesus Keep His Own Law, and Keeping The Holy Sabbath-Day was His Costum = Luke 4:16..Or?!! Are you going to tell me that Jesus was a Lawless too?!!! Brother James
You say>>He proves that by quoting Psalm 14. God gave the commandments for Israel to obey under the Old Covenant, but sin certainly abounded before the Law was given. And after. <<<
You are 100000% INCORRECT!!! Your bible and my bible and all bibles say this: 1 John 3:4 Sin is the REJECTING/BREAKING OF GOD'S LAW...Adam and Eve sinned?!! How? The God of Abraham "RESTED" On the Seventh Day of Creation= Gen 2:1-3..How? If there was no Law then..Explain that to me.. God's Law was written by His "OWN FINGER" in two stone tablets, Mose's Law was written by Moses in a book, The Stone tablets were and are inside the Ark of the Covenant, Mose's Law was outside the Ark of the Covenant...Ezra 7:6 This Ezra came up from Babylon. He was "A TEACHER WELL VERSED IN 'THE LAW OF MOSES'S"...10 For Ezra "DEVOTED" himself to the STUDY and ONSERVAN OF THE LAW OF "YHWH"...I believe what you believe for 50 years while I attended the catholic church and the protestant denominations, so I know were you are, have been and will be..I did what the Holy Spirit says: Rev. 18:4 "COME OUT OF 'HER'....'MY PEOPLE'".....See! You still there...I CAME OUT...READ
Rev. 14:12 This calls for the patience and undurance of the part of "THE SAINTS" who "OBEY 'GOD'S COMMANDMENTS'-(Not Moses's Commandments) and REMAIN "FAITHFUL 'TO JESUS'"...See!!!! Read "AGAIN"= Rev. 22:14 "BLESSED" ARE THOSE "WHO KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS"=(Again God's Commandments not Moses's Commandments) And have the RIGHT "TO THE TREE OF LIFE" and MAY GO THROUGH THE GATES INTO "THE CITY"=(The Celestial Jerusalem)...See!
Paul says: 1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision means nothing and uncircumcision means nothing, "KEEPING GOD'S LAW "IS WHAT COUNTS"...Paul says to Imitate Him as He Imitate Jesus The Christ...Jesus Keep His Own Law, and Keeping The Holy Sabbath-Day was His Costum = Luke 4:16..Or?!! Are you going to tell me that Jesus was a Lawless too?!!! Brother James
Santiago M Anaya
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Hello Covenanter... Peace of Christ.. You say>>>Since Christ abolished the Old Covenant, we use the Ten Commandments for instruction and commentary in defining outward sin.>>>>
CORRECT!!!! CORRECT!!!! CORRECT!...Christendom "The "ROMAN" catholic church and her daughters the protestant denominations(Remember that I spent 50 years there) Not in Spiritual Judaism a.k.a Christianity....
You say>>>“For if that first covenant had been faultless, no one would have looked for a second one. But showing its fault, God says to them, “Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will complete a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah<<<<< CORRECT!!! CORRECT!!! CORRECT!!! Notice that the New Covenant as the Old Covenant, was made with the People of Israel and the tribe of Judah...That is where Spiritual Judaism comes from...No covenant with the gentiles (I am a gentiles who became a Spiritual Jew as in the old time...Luke was a gentile who was a Literal Jew then He became a Spiritual Jews, the people of Jesus "The Christ" The New Mediator...See!
You say<<“But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33) (NET)<<<<<
Psalm 85:8 I will listen to what God YHWH will say; He promises peace to "HIS PEOPLE HIS SAINTS"...See!!! No Ungodly lawless, sinful, wicked, evil people...read this: Psalm 73:1 Surely God is good to Israel...To those "WHO ARE PURE IN HEART"..See!! Not even all Israel were His people,much less a gentile ungodly, lawless...Read:2 Samuel 7:24 O great YHWH, you have established "YOUR PEOPLE ISRAEL" AS YOUR "VERY OWN PEOPLE FOREVER"...See! Not gentiles, not even disobedient literal Israelites...That fellow satan is a tricky,. tricky, snicky, icky fellow....Tell me about'im I served him faithfully for over 50 years.....Titus 2:11
For the "GRACE OF GOD" that brings salvation=(Jesus) has "APPEARED/MANIFESTED IN HUMAN FORM? to all men.. 12 And?!! IT TEACHES "US" to say "NO" To Ungodliness, lawlessness, wickeness, sinfulness, etc.etc.and?!! TO LIVE "A RIGHTEOUS, HOLY AND GODLY LIVES"=(No lawless lives such a life) while we wait for the BLESSED HOPE, the glorious appearing of "OUR GREAT 'GOD AND SAVIOR' Jesus the Christ=(See! Jesus is the God of Abraham, He is the God of the New Spiritual Jews)..
14 Who "GAVE HIMSELF UP"=(See )for us to redeem us from "ALL WICKEDNESS, LAWLESSNESS, SINFULNESS, UNGODLINESS, ETC ETC) and?!! "TO PURIFY 'FOR HIMSELF'"=(Not for three) a people that are "HIS VERY OWN"=(See No trinity)...
15 This then, are the things "YOU SHOULD TEACH"..(Seee!!! No Lawlessness) encourage and rebuke with all authority... Seeee!!! Brother James....
CORRECT!!!! CORRECT!!!! CORRECT!...Christendom "The "ROMAN" catholic church and her daughters the protestant denominations(Remember that I spent 50 years there) Not in Spiritual Judaism a.k.a Christianity....
You say>>>“For if that first covenant had been faultless, no one would have looked for a second one. But showing its fault, God says to them, “Look, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will complete a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah<<<<< CORRECT!!! CORRECT!!! CORRECT!!! Notice that the New Covenant as the Old Covenant, was made with the People of Israel and the tribe of Judah...That is where Spiritual Judaism comes from...No covenant with the gentiles (I am a gentiles who became a Spiritual Jew as in the old time...Luke was a gentile who was a Literal Jew then He became a Spiritual Jews, the people of Jesus "The Christ" The New Mediator...See!
You say<<“But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:31–33) (NET)<<<<<
Psalm 85:8 I will listen to what God YHWH will say; He promises peace to "HIS PEOPLE HIS SAINTS"...See!!! No Ungodly lawless, sinful, wicked, evil people...read this: Psalm 73:1 Surely God is good to Israel...To those "WHO ARE PURE IN HEART"..See!! Not even all Israel were His people,much less a gentile ungodly, lawless...Read:2 Samuel 7:24 O great YHWH, you have established "YOUR PEOPLE ISRAEL" AS YOUR "VERY OWN PEOPLE FOREVER"...See! Not gentiles, not even disobedient literal Israelites...That fellow satan is a tricky,. tricky, snicky, icky fellow....Tell me about'im I served him faithfully for over 50 years.....Titus 2:11
For the "GRACE OF GOD" that brings salvation=(Jesus) has "APPEARED/MANIFESTED IN HUMAN FORM? to all men.. 12 And?!! IT TEACHES "US" to say "NO" To Ungodliness, lawlessness, wickeness, sinfulness, etc.etc.and?!! TO LIVE "A RIGHTEOUS, HOLY AND GODLY LIVES"=(No lawless lives such a life) while we wait for the BLESSED HOPE, the glorious appearing of "OUR GREAT 'GOD AND SAVIOR' Jesus the Christ=(See! Jesus is the God of Abraham, He is the God of the New Spiritual Jews)..
14 Who "GAVE HIMSELF UP"=(See )for us to redeem us from "ALL WICKEDNESS, LAWLESSNESS, SINFULNESS, UNGODLINESS, ETC ETC) and?!! "TO PURIFY 'FOR HIMSELF'"=(Not for three) a people that are "HIS VERY OWN"=(See No trinity)...
15 This then, are the things "YOU SHOULD TEACH"..(Seee!!! No Lawlessness) encourage and rebuke with all authority... Seeee!!! Brother James....