God's Sovreignty : This is Scary

Hi there Christian Youth,

If I may, I would siggest that you check out the book Chosen By God by RC Sproul. He has many Biblical arguments against what this person is teaching. I wouldn't, however, waste your time arguing with this person as he will not give you a fair hearing. His mind is made up and he will not change.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Don't see how a person could live like that. Thinking that God is not in control of all things. How can he have peace not knowing that God does indeed contral all things. It takes all kinds.

 

From the article:

That's nearly a word-for-word definition of Pelagianism. Yes, Arminianism has a doctrine of sovereignty, but the arminian definition drives one back to the pelagian view or open theism by its claim that God is self-limiting, giving sovereignty to man in regards to eternal salvation.

 

Are you saying that all the evil that takes place in the world is what God wants to happen?

 

Are you saying that anything evil that happens does so because God could not stop it? Is your God omnipotent? Or is he powerless to stop it?

Joseph Botwinick

 

To J. D. I say that is false and completely untrue.

Too Terry I say that God definately does allow evil. Although its effect is good to those that love Him. See God makes all things rather we consider them evil or bad to WORK OUT for the christian who loves Him. Just as Jospeh was beaten and thrown into a pit and then sold, although he was thrown in Jail wrongly, it still worked out for the good and purpose that God wanted it too.

 

Does your god advocate rape and child-abuse?

 

Did he stop it? Could he have stopped it if he so wished?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Is that "yes"?

 

Are you saying that the God of all peace and the Father of lights wants His children to suffer in spite of good by allowing the evil to have precedence over that good?

With the erroneous teaching you cling to, it's no wonder so few see the goodness of God that leadeth all men to repentence!raying:

raise: :Fish: raise:

 

Are yopu saying that rape is an act of the sovereign will of God? Or is it still you're blind to the will of man to go contrary to the will of God?raying:


raise: :Fish: raise:

 

Why is God unwilling or unable to stop man's evil acts?

 

We're back to the rape thing again. Theology by emotional sentiment. Go ahead, tell me how bad I am to believe that God allows evil for His own glory. Make sure you use some emoticons and various fonts to show me how insensitive I am.

Lost people use the same reasoning to excuse their unbelief. "If there is a God, why did __________ happen?" (fill in the blank with your favorite tragedy) In your case it's "how can you believe in a God that lets ___________ happen?"

Well how can you believe in a God that is powerless to prevent evil? How can you believe in a God that stands by and does nothing about rape even though he is supposedly omnipotent but yet he can't defeat Satan until puny man helps Him?

BTW Joseph didn't say that God advocates evil - he said He allows it. There is a difference.

 

I don't think anyone will argue that God allows things to happen. The question was: does God advocate it, to which a clear answer was not given, only other leading questions.

 

Please show me who said or even implied that God advocates rape or any other sin. I would like to reply personally but I cannot find it.

 

Ok, here is a clear answer: God says that rape (as well as a host of others things) is sin and those that do these things will spend eternity in hell if they die in unbelief.

Now, can God stop anyone from raping someone? Sure he can. In fact, no evil is ever done that is contrary to the eternal plans of Almighty God.

Is there unrighteousness with God? God Forbid!

 

Joseph's answer from the last page where he was asked point blank does God advocate rape and child molestation. Should be an easy yes / no answer.

 

It is an easy answer provided that it was a straight question.
I am not saying it was or wasn't, just saying that sometimes you have to be careful what you answer.