Good Gravy

[Van]

Sometimes it seems we think the righteousness of God is some good gravy that can be put (imputed) into our spiritual vessels, and thus "made" righteous. But first our spiritual vessels must be drained of the awful unrighteous gravy produced by God's wrath over our sins.

But the Bible does not teach that the righteousness of God is "good gravy." God is holy and blameless and perfect, His every action is perfectly just and ... well righteous!

Sinners then might seek the righteousness of God through the Law. But alas, no flesh is justified through the Law. So, Sunday School Graduates, how do we attain the righteousness of God?

First we must come to our senses and realize our status, a sinner separated from God.

Next, we must realize we cannot obtain the righteousness of God through works, for in our state, all our works of righteousness are as filthy rags to God.

Third, lets consider Philippians 3:9,
NET said:
and be found in him, not because I have my own righteousness derived from the law, but because I have the righteousness that comes by way of Christ’s faithfulness—a righteousness from God that is in fact based on Christ’s faithfulness.

Forth, but what are we talking about when we refer to "Christ's faithfulness? Lets turn to 2 Corinthians 5:21,
HCSB said:
He made the One who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

So at the end of the day, the lost can obtain the righteousness of God by trusting fully in Christ and having God transfer us from being "in Adam" to being "in Him" based on crediting our faith in Jesus as righteousness.

In Christ we are made holy and blameless and perfect, and thus we obtain the "righteousness of God."

 

[37818]

Sometimes it seems we think the righteousness of God is some good gravy that can be put (imputed) into our spiritual vessels, and thus "made" righteous.

Hmm.
1 John 1:9, ". . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . . ."

 

[Van]

Hmm.
1 John 1:9, ". . . If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . . ."

Yes this verse supports the OP 100%. Think "washing of regeneration!"

 

[Guido]

No one becomes obedient to God at the time they believe in Christ, but as Romans says, God credits their faith as righteousness. Else every warning to Christians in scripture, these are of no consequence, as there would be none able make violation of them. Nor, if made obedient to Christ the moment that they believed, would they again commit any sins at all.

 

[kyredneck]

My Favorite Milk Gravy - A Taste of Kentucky

 

[percho]

So, Sunday School Graduates, how do we attain the righteousness of God?

Through, Adoption. Imputation.

What is adopted? -
Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;
Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

monergism vs synergism

Which does imputation imply?

 

[Van]

So, Sunday School Graduates, how do we attain the righteousness of God?

Through, Adoption. Imputation.

What is adopted? -
Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;
Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

monergism vs synergism

Which does imputation imply?

Utterly false doctrine. Our "adoption" will occur in the future at Christ's second coming, Romans 8:23.
We are made righteous by the washing of regeneration. When we were "dead in our sin" we were separated from God. But when we are "made alive" we are united with God. Therefore the washing of regeneration (being made alive) makes us righteous because we are no longer spiritually dead. Christianity 101

 

[Marooncat79]

More vanology

 

[Marooncat79]

Romans 8:15 for one

 

[percho]

Utterly false doctrine. Our "adoption" will occur in the future at Christ's second coming, Romans 8:23.
We are made righteous by the washing of regeneration. When we were "dead in our sin" we were separated from God. But when we are "made alive" we are united with God. Therefore the washing of regeneration (being made alive) makes us righteous because we are no longer spiritually dead. Christianity 101

I do not disagree with you, yet it is a process, relative to the body.


Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;
1 Cor 6:19 Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

R 8:15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption (the redemption of the body, in due time) in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.'
V 11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you (1 Cor 6:19), He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

 

[Guido]

Utterly false doctrine. Our "adoption" will occur in the future at Christ's second coming, Romans 8:23.
We are made righteous by the washing of regeneration. When we were "dead in our sin" we were separated from God. But when we are "made alive" we are united with God. Therefore the washing of regeneration (being made alive) makes us righteous because we are no longer spiritually dead. Christianity 101

If our adoption is still to happen, it will happen, not at the second coming of Christ, but at the rapture of the Church, when to the dead saints and to the living saints, theie will be given their glorified bodies.

See Romans 8, I Thessalonians 4, and I Corinthians 15.

 

[Van]

I do not disagree with you, yet it is a process, relative to the body.


Rom 8:23 And not only so, but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body;
1 Cor 6:19 Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

R 8:15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption (the redemption of the body, in due time) in which we cry, 'Abba -- Father.'
V 11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you (1 Cor 6:19), He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

I think you are saying our adoption is future and we have received the Holy Spirit as a pledge for that future adoption. Therefore we have not been adopted (or bestowed with our full blessings of salvation) yet, but will be adopted in the future.

 

[Van]

If our adoption is still to happen, it will happen, not at the second coming of Christ, but at the rapture of the Church, when to the dead saints and to the living saints, theie will be given their glorified bodies.

See Romans 8, I Thessalonians 4, and I Corinthians 15.

The rapture is where we meet Christ in the air, thus His second coming.

 

[Guido]

The rapture is where we meet Christ in the air, thus His second coming.

There are two comings of Christ to the earth, and another coming of Christ, a coming in which He does not touch the ground, between the first two preceding the tribulation. This is when the rapture occurs.

 

[Van]

There are two comings of Christ to the earth, and another coming of Christ, a coming in which He does not touch the ground, between the first two preceding the tribulation. This is when the rapture occurs.

Got it, according to you Christ's second coming does not occur with His cumming where He does not touch the ground. Not my view...

 

[Van]

Romans 8:15 for one

LOL, we are sealed in Christ with the Spirit of Adoption as a pledge to our FUTURE bodily redemption. Those that reject basis biblical truths, and call it names are not trying to edify, but to hide obvious truth.

 

[Van]

Lets turn to 2 Corinthians 5:21,

HCSB said:
He made the One who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. ​

Note we become the "righteousness of God" once God transfers us from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His beloved Son. Once spiritually "within Him" we become the righteousness of God through or by means of the washing of regeneration, also referred to as the "circumcision of Christ."

So at the end of the day, the lost can obtain the righteousness of God by trusting fully in Christ and having God transfer us from being "in Adam" to being "in Him" based on crediting our faith in Jesus as righteousness faith.

In Christ we are made holy and blameless and perfect, and thus we become the "righteousness of God."