Good, Present Day Gospel Preachers

[Rippon]

Since JM,John Piper,Walt Chantry and company are being trashed as preaching another Gospel -- as long as they are charged as being heretical false teachers etc. -- I would like to know who Lou and those who agree with him would consider to be good Gospel preachers these days.

Get specific as to how they are clearly superior in their presentation vs. the former men I named.

 

[jcjordan]

Paul Washer? R.C Sproul? Allistair Begg?....nah...I bet they aren't on the list.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Paul Washer? R.C Sproul? Allistair Begg?....nah...I bet they aren't on the list.

Not that I'm saying these are better preachers (if there are such things) as those that Rip have named, but I listen to Alistair Begg almost everyday on the way to work.
And he is just as adamant in saying that a true disciple submits to the Lordship of Christ in his life, or they are not disciples at all. In fact, when he really kicks it, he doesn't sound very different from JM.
I've heard RC Sproul say the same things also back when I could catch his program.
I think the attack on JM's so-called heretical Lordship Salvation teaching is still rooted in a deep dislike and hatred of the Doctrine of Grace, a.k.a. Calvinism around these parts.
Like I said in another thread, there are those in this board who drip with "Christian" sarcasm when referring to Calvinism you could read between the lines that what they're really saying is Calvinists are children of hell.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Among non-Primitive Baptist preachers of today, here is my list:

1. Alistair Begg (top dog);
2. John McArthur ;
3. Chuck Swindoll;
4. James M Boice;
5. RC Sproul;
6. Ravi Zacarias;
7. the late Vernon Mc'Gee;
8. Jack Graham (not a Calvinist, but still a good preacher);

I am not saying all of them rightly divide the word at all times (not even PB's do), but when they get really Biblical, they're straight as an arrow.

 

[Lou Martuneac]

Among non-Primitive Baptist preachers of today, here is my list:

1. Alistair Begg (top dog);
2. John McArthur ;
3. Chuck Swindoll;
4. James M Boice;
5. RC Sproul;
6. Ravi Zacarias;
7. the late Vernon Mc'Gee;
8. Jack Graham (not a Calvinist, but still a good preacher);

I am not saying all of them rightly divide the word at all times (not even PB's do), but when they get really Biblical, they're straight as an arrow.

PB:

I know for a fact, from a friend who heard J. Vernon McGee say it, that he (JV McGee) utterly rejected the Lordship Salvation interpretation of the Gospel. Furthermore, I heard him say this in reaction to LS, "You ought to make Jesus Lord of your life, but you had better receive Him as your Savior first."


LM

 

[Havensdad]

Since JM,John Piper,Walt Chantry and company are being trashed as preaching another Gospel -- as long as they are charged as being heretical false teachers etc. -- I would like to know who Lou and those who agree with him would consider to be good Gospel preachers these days.

Get specific as to how they are clearly superior in their presentation vs. the former men I named.

Rip,

The only "known" preachers that share Lou's soteriology, are on TBN!

:laugh:

 

[Lukasaurus]

Like Ray Comfort eh Havensdad?

I came here to post something from Alistair Begg's site. I hadn't heard of him before, so I thought I would visit his church website.

This is from the page on How to Know Jesus.

Here it is so you can read the whole thing, and please don't claim I am quoting it out of context: http://www.parksidechurch.com/site/c.iqLRIUOCKtF/b.1467677/k.92EE/Jesus_Christ.htm

Now be careful not to misunderstand this. The only thing we 'contribute' to our salvation is the sin from which we need to be saved. One way to learn the important distinction is to remember that while entrance to the Christian life is free, the annual subscription is everything we have!

Is that not pure arminianism? Maybe he used a poor choice of words, but to say that the entrance to the Christian life is free, but the ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION (which implies an ongoing payment) is so costly, it requires everything a man has is a works gospel through and through.

Now to me, Pastor Begg implies here that in order to achieve some kind of final salvation, you must work for it. It's gonna cost you. He also implies that a man can freely enter the Christian life, but fall away and be lost*.

I am sorry friends, but this is wrong, despite whatever good preaching Pastor Begg has done.

* I am aware that he is a calvinist, but this is the poorest choice of words I have ever seen. I've never read a JM book though

 

[pinoybaptist]

PB:

I know for a fact, from a friend who heard J. Vernon McGee say it, that he (JV McGee) utterly rejected the Lordship Salvation interpretation of the Gospel. Furthermore, I heard him say this in reaction to LS, "You ought to make Jesus Lord of your life, but you had better receive Him as your Savior first."


LM

Like I said, Lou, not all of them rightly divide the word, but at times when they do, they can preach straight as an arrow, and that goes for all who preach the word, regardless of whether they are Arminian, or Calvinist, or Primitive Baptist.

 

[hawg_427]

I can't believe Charles Stanley isn't on the list, IMHO he is as good or better than Macarthur.

 

[webdog]

Since JM,John Piper,Walt Chantry and company are being trashed as preaching another Gospel -- as long as they are charged as being heretical false teachers etc. -- I would like to know who Lou and those who agree with him would consider to be good Gospel preachers these days.

Get specific as to how they are clearly superior in their presentation vs. the former men I named.

Since the op is based on false presuppositions of your list being heretics...the thread is flawed from the get go.

Ironic we don't see the pastors of the ones actually posting on this list.

 

[Lukasaurus]

I said that in another thread as well webdog,

The men that have influenced me the most are those local church pastors. The ones that are doing the work of God without recognition from men. My pastor currently pastors a church of about 20, myself and my wife included. He preaches the Bible down here in Dunedin, a student town famous for binge drinking, drug abuse and it's university. There are some megachurches down here, like "Elim" church, NZ's equivelent of Hillsong church.

There is only one other Bible preaching baptist church down here. Unfortunately, they are baptist brider and won't fellowship with our church, because we don't take the same stand they do, which is kind of sad, since we are the only two churches down here that believe in the authority of the local church (well, there are a few good open brethren churches around as well, but they seem to be fading away).

 

[Rippon]

Now be careful not to misunderstand this. The only thing we 'contribute' to our salvation is the sin from which we need to be saved. One way to learn the important distinction is to remember that while entrance to the Christian life is free, the annual subscription is everything we have!

Is that not pure arminianism? Maybe he used a poor choice of words, but to say that the entrance to the Christian life is free, but the ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION (which implies an ongoing payment) is so costly, it requires everything a man has is a works gospel through and through.

No,that's not anywhere near Arminianism.Have you ever heard of taking up your cross daily and denying yourself?That's biblical and has nothing to do with a works salvation.

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Now to me, Pastor Begg implies here that in order to achieve some kind of final salvation, you must work for it. It's gonna cost you. He also implies that a man can freely enter the Christian life, but fall away and be lost*.
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To you.You have tortured his words to arrive at your faulty conclusion.

And there is absolutely nothing to imply that he believes that a saved individual can become lost.

 

[Rippon]

Since the op is based on false presuppositions of your list being heretics...the thread is flawed from the get go.

Ironic we don't see the pastors of the ones actually posting on this list.

Lou has stated that those who adhere to LS are heretical. LM has repeatedly said that JM believes in a false,non-saving gospel.He has repeatedly said that JM preaches another gospel.He has said that JM is a false teacher.

A false teacher is the same as a false prophet (see 2 Pe.2:1).According to LM John MacArthur falls under the condemnation of Galatians 1:8,9.

So,I was absolutely right in my OP.You're the one dodging and weaving.You believe the same things regarding MacArthur.You have said so a number of times. Of course you are absolutely wrong and have sinned in the process of making such outrageous claims.But I have learned that that's the way you operate here.

 

[EdSutton]

Lou has stated that those who adhere to LS are heretical. LM has repeatedly said that JM believes in a false,non-saving gospel.He has repeatedly said that JM preaches another gospel.He has said that JM is a false teacher.

A false teacher is the same as a false prophet (see 2 Pe.2:1).According to LM John MacArthur falls under the condemnation of Galatians 1:8,9.

So,I was absolutely right in my OP.You're the one dodging and weaving.You believe the same things regarding MacArthur.You have said so a number of times. Of course you are absolutely wrong and have sinned in the process of making such outrageous claims.But I have learned that that's the way you operate here.

Consider these opening words from a verse of scripture. They could come back and haunt you. They are found from Lk. 10:29 (NKJV), and are these: "But he, wanting to justify himself,"

Ed

 

[Rippon]

Consider these opening words from a verse of scripture. They could come back and haunt you. They are found from Lk. 10:29 (NKJV), and are these: "But he, wanting to justify himself,"

Ed

And what practical bearing does this have with the topic-at-hand?

 

[pinoybaptist]

I can't believe Charles Stanley isn't on the list, IMHO he is as good or better than Macarthur.

Put him on your list then, hawg.

 

[Rippon]

I can't believe Charles Stanley isn't on the list, IMHO he is as good or better than Macarthur.

He's better than many who are so-called ministers of the Word.But he seems to be a more conservative version of Joyce Meyer.He deals a lot with psychology.He's not expository enough for me.