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GOP can hang it up for 2016

Zaac

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Donald Trump to GOP establishment: Just try me
Updated by Andrew Prokop on December 8, 2015, 4:40 p.m. ET @awprokop




For months, the Republican establishment has faced a difficult dilemma in dealing with poll leader Donald Trump. Many GOP elites think the billionaire's offensive statements are hurting their party — but they don't want to push back so hard that Trump bolts the party, runs as an independent, and picks up substantial support.

So it's no accident that after the chorus of condemnations from both Democrats and Republicans about Trump's proposal to ban Muslims from entering the United States, the mogul tweeted the following:


The new poll, from Suffolk and USA Today, does indeed show that 68 percent of self-professed Trump supporters nationally would back a Trump independent candidacy, and that only 18 percent say they would not,in what Susan Page calls "a chilling sign for Republicans." There are reasons to believe the number of voters willing to back a Trump independent bid would shrink as the election gets closer, if they start approaching their vote choice more strategically. But in a close race, a Trump independent candidacy could very well cause the GOP nominee to lose (and Matt Yglesias has made the case that Trump's views fit very well with what we might expect from a theoretical third party).

Now, it's true that back in September Trump signed a pledge stating that he'll back the eventual GOP nominee. However, as I wrote at the time, there was nothing binding him to that pledge — and Trump very conspicuously qualified it by saying that he had to be treated "fairly."

What counts as "fair" is, it seems up to Trump. Two weeks ago, he implied that an effort from Republican consultant Liz Mair to raise money from Republican donors for a "guerrilla campaign" against Trump might violate "the deal," in his eyes (even though Mair is a free agent who has no current role with the Republican National Committee):


However, all this very well may be a bluff from Trump. He openly admitted at the first GOP debate that he liked to use the threat of an independent bid as "leverage" to get what he wanted from party elites. And "sore loser" ballot laws would prevent him from even appearing on the ballot in Ohio and Michigan if he runs in the primaries there — which, of course, would make it quite difficult for him to win the presidency.

Still, the risk of a Trump third party run is clearly one GOP elites aren't comfortable taking. That was evident when RNC chair Reince Priebus — who made the deal with Trump — was asked about Trump's new proposal by the Washington Examiner's David Drucker on Tuesday, and offered only a terse and muted disagreement. "I don't agree," Priebus said, "We need to aggressively take on radical Islamic terrorism but not at the expense of our American values." When Drucker followed up, Priebus said only, "That's as far as I'm going to go."

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/8/9873376/donald-trump-third-party

Talk about being put in a tough spot. Their Frankenstein is out of control. Karl Rove and his friends can't stand Trump. So if he starts to lose "momentum", he's gonna figure it's because the other candidates and power people in the party don't like him and are ganging up on him. So he will still run as an Independent.
 

church mouse guy

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This is a lot of good news for Hillary, if Obama doesn't indict her for crimes, because the GOP establishment has openly said that they will support Hillary and donate to her. Karl Rove and his little white board will now be working for the Clintons.
 

Zaac

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It's a shame that they let DT in to say what they wish they could say. But now they can't control him and he has singlehandedly destroyed any chance the GOP had in 2016 to win The White House.
 

church mouse guy

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Aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch? You might not get that Christmas present. Obama might indict Hillary in January. Don't you think that you should let the GOP voters speak before you throw your cheap-labor fiesta?
 

Zaac

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Aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch? You might not get that Christmas present. Obama might indict Hillary in January.


I don't have any chickens. You keep holding out hope that Obama will indict Hillary

Don't you think that you should let the GOP voters speak before you throw your cheap-labor fiesta?

Read the writing on the wall. Trump thinks he should be the nominee because he's been the front-runner for the longest. The only way to get him out of that position now is for everyone to gang up on him. He will perceive this as not being treated fairly or as the party neocons trying him and run as an Independent.

So either leave him alone and he becomes the nominee and the GOP loses in a landslide. Or gang up on him and have him run as a third party candidate and the GOP loses in a landslide.

It's over.

Karl Rove will not let Trump be President.
 
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church mouse guy

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You clipped by post without showing it--naughty naughty.

Here is what I said:

Aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch? You might not get that Christmas present. Obama might indict Hillary in January. Don't you think that you should let the GOP voters speak before you throw your cheap-labor fiesta?

For the record, I could care less what a Democrat does because I have no expectations for the party of slavery and Jim Crow and abortion and gun control.

For the record, I have said that the FBI is so crooked that it is unlikely that they will call for an indictment of Hillary.
 

InTheLight

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This is a lot of good news for Hillary, if Obama doesn't indict her for crimes, because the GOP establishment has openly said that they will support Hillary and donate to her. Karl Rove and his little white board will now be working for the Clintons.

LOL! An OP about the GOP turns into a rant about Hillary. Typical.
 

church mouse guy

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How is that a rant about your favorite? The crooked FBI is supposed to make a report in January and what will the DOJ do? What Obama says. I didn't mention Rove first, but I am tired of him and never listen to him. He was so wrong on election night 2012. It is fine with me if Rove and the US Chamber of Commerce go Democrat in 2016. It looks as if the Hillary camp would be celebrating if this thread is true but it does seem a little premature for a victory party before the first vote is cast in the GOP primaries as Trump may not win in spite of Democrat hopes.
 

church mouse guy

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You have no clue, do you?

You love personal attacks, don't you? As I said before, why do you bother the elderly like me since you are so intelligent and never have to discuss the issues? Maybe I am just as stupid as you say that I am but why does a genius like you resort to personal attacks? I don't care if you like Hillary. I think that the GOP will lose Minnesota and Wisconsin and I am not sure about Iowa.
 

InTheLight

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You love personal attacks, don't you? As I said before, why do you bother the elderly like me since you are so intelligent and never have to discuss the issues? Maybe I am just as stupid as you say that I am but why does a genius like you resort to personal attacks? I don't care if you like Hillary. I think that the GOP will lose Minnesota and Wisconsin and I am not sure about Iowa.

No, I don't like personal attacks. You have an unhealthy obsession with the Clintons. You rarely post in a political thread without bringing one or the other, or both of them up.

You keep on assuming because I live in Minnesota that I'm a Hillary supporter. I've probably told you at least three times in the past six months that I can't stand Hillary, yet you continue to put me on her side. Just a couple days ago, in a thread you were participating in, I said I liked Cruz or Rubio.

So when I say, "you have no clue", I mean that you don't even pay attention and/or remember what others post. You keep saying I support Hillary and I can't stand her. I would never vote for her. So write it down and post it near your computer--InTheLight does not like Hillary and won't be voting for her, ever!
 

church mouse guy

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No, I don't like personal attacks. You have an unhealthy obsession with the Clintons. You rarely post in a political thread without bringing one or the other, or both of them up.

You keep on assuming because I live in Minnesota that I'm a Hillary supporter. I've probably told you at least three times in the past six months that I can't stand Hillary, yet you continue to put me on her side. Just a couple days ago, in a thread you were participating in, I said I liked Cruz or Rubio.

So when I say, "you have no clue", I mean that you don't even pay attention and/or remember what others post. You keep saying I support Hillary and I can't stand her. I would never vote for her. So write it down and post it near your computer--InTheLight does not like Hillary and won't be voting for her, ever!

You are too intelligent to be wasting your time worrying about what I do when I summarize current events. And, no, I do not keep tabs on what you say and do because I can't remember anyway. And your charge that I write about the Clintons all the time is baseless. Why don't you find someone with whom you have something in common to discuss politics about? You are just too intelligent to be wasting your time with me.
 

Zaac

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You clipped by post without showing it--naughty naughty.

Here is what I said:

Aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch? You might not get that Christmas present. Obama might indict Hillary in January. Don't you think that you should let the GOP voters speak before you throw your cheap-labor fiesta?

And THAT is what I quoted.Biggrin I merely separated sentences so I don't know what was naughty naughty.

For the record, I could care less what a Democrat does because I have no expectations for the party of slavery and Jim Crow and abortion and gun control.

Stop ignoring history as if it didn't happen. Those wonderful Dixiecrat types wondered right on over to the party with which you seem to be enamored. You can put lipstick on the pig, and place it in a different pen, but it's still a pig.

For the record, I have said that the FBI is so crooked that it is unlikely that they will call for an indictment of Hillary.

Or it might be there's nothing there except the fantasies of those who are desperately looking for a way to keep her from becoming the next President.
 

Zaac

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No, I don't like personal attacks. You have an unhealthy obsession with the Clintons. You rarely post in a political thread without bringing one or the other, or both of them up.

You keep on assuming because I live in Minnesota that I'm a Hillary supporter. I've probably told you at least three times in the past six months that I can't stand Hillary, yet you continue to put me on her side. Just a couple days ago, in a thread you were participating in, I said I liked Cruz or Rubio.

So when I say, "you have no clue", I mean that you don't even pay attention and/or remember what others post. You keep saying I support Hillary and I can't stand her. I would never vote for her. So write it down and post it near your computer--InTheLight does not like Hillary and won't be voting for her, ever!

Now you know if you don't support somebody else's candidate of choice you're summarily dumb and must be supporting a candidate from the other party.
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kyredneck

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the GOP establishment has openly said that they will support Hillary and donate to her

???? what are you talking about CMG? Who is this "GOP establishment" that will support and donate to Hillary, and why would they do such a thing? Please clarify.
 

Zaac

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???? what are you talking about CMG? Who is this "GOP establishment" that will support and donate to Hillary, and why would they do such a thing? Please clarify.

It's true Kentucky. There's apparently been a lot of rumbling about what to do if it looks like DT is gonna stay in the lead and start winning primaries.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/gop-establishment-to-back-hillary-if-trump-nominee/
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/261227-gop-donors-wrestle-with-possibility-of-trump-nomination
 

carpro

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This is a lot of good news for Hillary, if Obama doesn't indict her for crimes, because the GOP establishment has openly said that they will support Hillary and donate to her. Karl Rove and his little white board will now be working for the Clintons.

Hillary will never be indicted for anything by anybody, especially Obama.
 

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