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Grace makes faith effective

Mexdeaf

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Was studying these verses this week-

Romans 4:16-25

16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb. 20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. 22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” 23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.


So according to verse 16, it is grace that makes our faith effective. Thus, grace precedes faith. And the power of justification is in God's grace, not in man's faith.
 

Revmitchell

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So according to verse 16, it is grace that makes our faith effective. Thus, grace precedes faith. And the power of justification is in God's grace,

I agree up to this point

not in man's faith.

All of salvation rests in God alone. But this point does not prove that man's role in salvation is nothing but passive.
 

Revmitchell

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Faith, based upon the underlying grace of God, as v. 16 says. Faith without grace cannot justify.

I do not disagree, however my position is that grace is the offer or drawing and faith is the response to the grace. You certainly cannot have one without the other.
 

Allan

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So according to verse 16, it is grace that makes our faith effective. Thus, grace precedes faith. And the power of justification is in God's grace, not in man's faith.
Of course grace makes faith - effective.

However I would presume you recognize that we are 'justified by faith', not grace, right? ...And that it is 'through faith' we have 'access' into His grace?

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Yet, if it was not for His grace being the initial cause (thus the "by whom" reveals the first cause here), how would we know in whom to believe or that His grace has been provided :) And if it were not for 'faith' you would not have access to His grace - benefits of His grace.

God's sovereignty and man's responsibilty.. What an amazing picture. Two sides of an eternal coin.
 
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Mexdeaf

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Of course grace makes faith - effective.

Yet, if it was not for His grace being the initial cause (thus the "by whom" reveals the first cause here), how would we know in whom to believe or that His grace has been provided :) And if it were not for 'faith' you would not have access to His grace - benefits of His grace.

God's sovereignty and man's responsibilty.. What an amazing picture. Two sides of an eternal coin.

Amen. Just... amazing.
 
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