Gulags for U.S. citizens in final planning stages

Reality is hard pill to swallow eh Carpro?

 

I'm having problems with something...

I'm trying to play the song "they're coming to take me away, ha ha..." on this post.

Can ya'll figure out how to do that?

yup.

 

Our leaders won't suddenly round up thousands of people. First, they'll just try to indefinitely detain a few American citizens they have identified as "enemy combatants."

Then maybe some who weren't actually "combatants", but were "suspected sympathizers."

And later, uncooperative newspeople, or those who take pictures of bridges or whatever.

Rarely does a nation lose freedom all at once.

The good news is that Congress passed the Patriot Act, but with significant reduction in arbitary power granted to the executive.

And people are starting to get concerned. Maybe the pendulum is swinging back toward American values.

 

Uncooperative newspeople meaning those crazy conspiracy theorists and terrorist bloggers?

Or people who might dare protest in front of federal buildings?

FEMA critic's shirt gets him tangled up in ticket.

Ridiculing the
Federal Emergency Management Agency is high art in the Gulf Coast areas where Hurricane Katrina hit last year.


Many parade floats in New Orleans' Mardi Gras were decorated in themes that skewered the relief agency.

George Barisich, president of the United Commercial Fisherman's Association, has been selling anti-FEMA T-shirts since last fall, a reflection of his frustration with the federal government's response to the storm that left him homeless and unemployed.

But on Feb. 1, when he handed a shirt to a fellow Katrina victim as he was picking up canned goods at a charity's relief tent, Barisich found himself in trouble with the government.

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The government is sticking to its guns. "If we ignored this violation, you could have potentially 20 to 30 people standing out in front of the (FEMA) center, obstructing things," says Dean Boyd, a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) spokesman. "We've got a duty and a job under the law."

SOURCE


Potential protesters? In America?

 

The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

Save me! Save me!

Please , oh please, save me!

 

That's seems to be the prevailing attitude Carpro you've got it down pat, good citizen.

The WTC buildings have fallen.

Save me! Save me!

Please, oh please, save me!

And right on time here comes Bush to the rescue.

The Sedition Act.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty, and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be ho]den to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.

SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

SEC. 3. And be it further enacted and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in Republication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided, that the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force.

APPROVED, July 14, 1798.

The Alien Act.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies. And the President of the United States shall be, and he is hereby authorized, in any event, as aforesaid, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, towards the aliens who shall become liable, as aforesaid; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject, and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those, who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, shall refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which shall be found necessary in the premises and for the public safety: Provided, that aliens resident within the United States, who shall become liable as enemies, in the manner aforesaid, and who shall not be chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of their goods and effects, and for their departure, the full time which is, or shall be stipulated by any treaty, where any shall have been between the United States, and the hostile nation or government, of which they shall be natives, citizens, denizens or subjects: and where no such treaty shall have existed, the President of the United States may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.

SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That after any proclamation shall be made as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of the several courts of the United States, and of each state, having criminal jurisdiction, and of the several judges and justices of the courts of the United States, and they shall be, and are hereby respectively, authorized upon complaint, against any alien or alien enemies, as aforesaid, who shall be resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President of the United States shall and may establish in the premises, to cause such alien or aliens to be duly apprehended and convened before such court, judge or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint. and sufficient cause therefor appearing, shall and may order such alien or aliens to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties of their good behaviour, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations which shall and may be established as aforesaid, and may imprison, or otherwise secure such alien or aliens, until the order which shall and may be made, as aforesaid, shall be performed.

SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which any alien enemy shall be apprehended, who by the President of the United States, or by order of any court, judge or justice, as aforesaid, shall be required to depart, and to be removed, as aforesaid, to provide therefor, and to execute such order, by himself or his deputy, or other discreet person or persons to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President of the United States, or of the court, judge or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.

APPROVED, July 6, 1798.


The Enabling Act. Link

The Patriot Act. Link

George Orwell

[ March 03, 2006, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

Yes I am prepared to condemn it Squire. I'm not raising the alarm btw, that was done by others long before I got to BB. The Alarm was first sounded by the likes of George Washington Samuel Adams and Thomas Jefferson I believe. You can disregard my comments I have no problem with that and you may even disregard their warnings at your own peril. I have no problem with that either. It is a free country country after all, till the next Reichstag fire anyway.

 

Man, I wish my life were this exciting.

 

If I go to the gulag before April 15th do I still have to pay my Federal and State Income Taxes?

Bill

 

Federal, yes. State, depends on whether or not the Feds are admitting where they stashed you. Local, of course not!

 

Hey everyone,

You know how the anti-war is always accusing the Bush administration of being fear mongers? Just remember that while you read this thread where they try to scare you out of war and into hating the government. In reality, the anti-war crowd are the biggest fear mongers out there. While Bush uses words like liberation, justice, and we are winning and we must stand firm, the true fear mongers use words like quagmire, draft, internment camps, we cannot win. They are the most negative people alive. Do not be scared by the fear mongers. We should continue to stand firm and stay the course. Don't allow the message of the terrorists being puppeted by the anti-war crowd in America and Europe scare us out of completing the job and doing the right thing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled fear mongering brought to you by the anti-Bush, anti-American, anti-war crowd.

Joseph Botwinick

 

It's possible to fight a war without violating the Constititution.

The war is just the excuse.

The war isn't a big thing right now. It's just dragging on, with "acceptable casualties", until Bush is out of office and someone else puts an end to it. Then the Iraqis will do what they want to do with their country, by the means they chose to do it.

Orwell was right. What they seek is not change, but power.

 

This is ridiculous. All we've got is what appears to be a far-left link posting pictures that appear to be from Gitmo, with no real evidence offered.

 

Except Bush's claim that he can "disappear" any American citizen he decides is helping terrorists.

In case you don't know, that's been upheld by a lower court:

A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900772.html

And for the duration of the "war" (wars no longer have to be declared, presidents can just order one) you can sit in a cell with all your rights suspended.

 

I guess that means you don't have any more "evidence" than BibleSender did about these "forced labor" camps, right?

As to Padilla, you might want to actually check the website you linked to. There's actually been a new development or two, such as the government's request to have him moved to civilian detention and an indictment. As long as you're protecting terrorists from Big Brother, you might want to see what Big Brother is doing with them.

I do also add a thanks for the link. Lots of good references.

 

The Galatian:
A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks." And for the duration of the "war" (wars no longer have to be declared, presidents can just order one) you can sit in a cell with all your rights suspended.[/QUOTE]

==If I recall my presidential history correctly other presidents have done this in times of war (Abraham Lincoln) and in times of crisis (Ulysses S Grant). There may have been other cases as well. However the point is that Bush has not done what other presidents have not already done (and this court has backed that up). The government should have the ability to protect it's citizens during times of war and national crisis. Certainly there should be over-site and controls to make sure that there are no (or few) abuses. At this time I don't believe that Bush has done anything beyond what he is allowed to do (in this regard). Maybe some things he has done are not politically smart (I HATE politics) but I don't think he has done anything legally wrong.

Martin.

 

This accusation here is one of the most misleading and false claims I have ever witnessed one American use against another.

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