Habitual Sin

[ShotGunWillie]

Do you believe that if someone continually commits the same sin, over and over, asks God for forgiveness, repents, and continues to commit the habitual sin, is this person saved? Would they be living in sin?

 

[npetreley]

Do you believe that if someone continually commits the same sin, over and over, asks God for forgiveness, repents, and continues to commit the habitual sin, is this person saved? Would they be living in sin?

Is this person named ShotGunWillie? Just kidding, but your question is so loaded I don't think there's a good answer for it.

 

[Joe]

Depends upon the sin. Some sins are called an abomination.

We are all habitual sinners.

 

[webdog]

Sins of omission happen to all believers every day. That doesn't affect their righteousness.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Is this person named ShotGunWillie? Just kidding, but your question is so loaded I don't think there's a good answer for it.

No, but I figured I would get a response like.

We are all habitual sinners

I understand that, but does everyone commit the same sins on a daily basis. I take habitual sins to be what are done routinely, no matter how much they struggle with it, they are routine and have become second nature to the person. I understand that we will be a new creature in Christ, but if the person gives into the flesh, it becomes routine again.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

I am talking like, cussing, drinking, smoking, un-Christ-like thoughts, things of this nature, just to name some.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Do you believe that if someone continually commits the same sin, over and over, asks God for forgiveness, repents, and continues to commit the habitual sin, is this person saved? Would they be living in sin?

Is the person still convicted by and of their sin? Do they continue to feel remorse and regret? These can infact be evidences of salvation.

I believe sanctification should be viewed as a gift of the sprit not as a work of the flesh. It is God himself that will free us from our sins. Ask for forgiveness, but also ask for a change in your heart and a change in your actions. What can you do to keep from this sin in the future.

To take a 'safe' example from those listed by you shotgun, lets take cussing. Are you convicted by your use of poor language, do you want to be free from that sin. There are definite steps you can take. The quarter jar or cussing jar at the house you put money into, a brother at work who prays for you and holds you accountable. In my case, taking the Lord's name in vain became a song. Lets say I crush my toe under a piece of machinery. I may at one time have yelled out the name Jesus. Now if I exclaim the name Jesus I just follow it up with a song. so it goes like this:
1. Crush toe
2. Tentmaker says, "Jesus"
3. Tentmaker sings (in a very poor voice) "keep me near the cross. . . . "

This may sound silly and lame to you, but it worked for me.

Jesus frees us from the penalty of our sins, but he can also free us from our sins themselves. If we let him.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If we as Christians are dead to sin, how can we continue in them? The true child of God will not produce the same sins over and over.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I am talking like, cussing, drinking, smoking, un-Christ-like thoughts, things of this nature, just to name some.

Oh boy, then I am lost. I have, on occasion, a cuss fly out my mouth. I smoke cigars and like a nice cold beer.

Write me off I guess.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Is the person still convicted by and of their sin? Do they continue to feel remorse and regret? These can infact be evidences of salvation.

I believe sanctification should be viewed as a gift of the sprit not as a work of the flesh. It is God himself that will free us from our sins. Ask for forgiveness, but also ask for a change in your heart and a change in your actions. What can you do to keep from this sin in the future.

To take a 'safe' example from those listed by you shotgun, lets take cussing. Are you convicted by your use of poor language, do you want to be free from that sin. There are definite steps you can take. The quarter jar or cussing jar at the house you put money into, a brother at work who prays for you and holds you accountable. In my case, taking the Lord's name in vain became a song. Lets say I crush my toe under a piece of machinery. I may at one time have yelled out the name Jesus. Now if I exclaim the name Jesus I just follow it up with a song. so it goes like this:
1. Crush toe
2. Tentmaker says, "Jesus"
3. Tentmaker sings (in a very poor voice) "keep me near the cross. . . . "

This may sound silly and lame to you, but it worked for me.

Jesus frees us from the penalty of our sins, but he can also free us from our sins themselves. If we let him.

If the person continues in the same sin over and over, that one was not convicted (convinced). That one may have had a legal repentance, but not a godly one. Sorry they got caught, not sorry they did it.

As to the Crush toe thing...

I did not crush my toe, but I got whacked in the knee with a 4 pound sledge when I lived in Ramseur. By my pastor, no less!.

The first words out of my mouth were, 'Praise the Lord!' And somehow it did not hurt as bad (although my knee was swollen fro days).

 

[Joe]

Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Matthew 7:17

Overall, is this person bearing good fruit? Even good fruit can have a worm or two and still be edible.

Smoking is not sin that I am aware of. Neither is drinking unless one becomes drunk. Unchristlike is something we all are, likely every day at some point.

Our pastor at our first church was committing adultery, he was asked to step down a year after we left. That church had more sexual sin....oh my but even during the time he was committing this sin, I believe he was saved. I knew him fairly well at the time.
Tentmaker brought up whether the person is convicted by god and ignoring it, I believe that makes a difference.

Joe

 

[charles_creech78]

Do you believe that if someone continually commits the same sin, over and over, asks God for forgiveness, repents, and continues to commit the habitual sin, is this person saved? Would they be living in sin?[/Q Repenting to me is when you fill sorry for what you have done. If you are really sorry for what you have done I don't think you would do it again. I think this person needs to what for the Lord to save him. He needs to stop that sinning first. When the UNCLEAN SPIRIT has gone out of a man . He walketh through drie places seeking rest and findeth non. He saieth I will return into my house from which I come and findeth it swept and garnish then he taketh 12 more spirit more wicked then him self and they enter there in and the last state of that man is worse of then the first.

 

[Deacon]

Do you believe that if someone continually commits the same sin, over and over, asks God for forgiveness, repents, and continues to commit the habitual sin, is this person saved? Would they be living in sin?

Habitual sin? Does that include the acceptable sins... like speeding?
...or only unacceptable sins like those you listed?

Rob

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Never heard of acceptable sins, do you have a list?

Okay, let's add some more to my wonderful list, lying, cheating people, lusting after women (in their heart and mind).

If the person feels regret and shame and repent, not that they got caught, but because they did it again, is that a sign of their salvation or just that they are ashamed.

 

[Dewey Sturgell]

Well Brother, Paul wrote : in ROMANS 7:8
But sin, taking occasian by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead
ROMANS 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
ROMANS 7:10
And the commandment,which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
ROMANS 7:11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, decieved me, and by it slew me.
ROMANS 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
ROMANS 7:13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
ROMANS 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
ROMANS 7:15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would , that I do not; but what I hate , that do I.
ROMANS 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
ROMANS 7:17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
ROMANS 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to preform that which is good I find not.
ROMANS 7:19
For the good that I would do I do not: but the evil which I would not do, that I do.
ROMANS 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
ROMANS 7:21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good ,evil is is present with me.
ROMANS 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
For my understanding of this passage from Brother Paul in the book of Romans , He is telling us that we can not ecape sin even if it is something we do over and over again , because it is of the flesh and a law that evil is present when we go to do good, for the inward man seeks Gods law, hope this helps, may the Grce of God be with you, amen

 

[J. Jump]

Does that include the acceptable sins... like speeding?

Now here's a sacred cow if I've ever seen one. How about gossiping?

I think one just need read this board for a few days and see some of the attitudes and the name-calling and one can tell straight way that there are "saved" folks that not only continue in their action, but have no remorse and certainly are repentant about it.

So I guess all that to say yes a person can be a habitual sinner and can still be saved. But there are consequences for those actions and/or inactions and I would NOT recommend that lifestyle!

 

[Mr.M]

I am talking like, cussing, drinking, smoking, un-Christ-like thoughts, things of this nature, just to name some.

Habitual self-righteousness is one many are guilty of while they are busy judging who is and isn't saved or probably isn't saved based on the sins THOSE people commit that apparently are distasteful to the self-righteous Christian. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[JustChristian]

My belief is that it all depends on who or what is lord of your life. The rich young ruler found that his money was lord of his life and that Christ's offer of salvation was secondary to his wealth. Those who have Christ as the Lord of their lives will sin but by their born again nature repent and go back to following Him.