Had I been under Obamacare; I'd be dead for sure!

[righteousdude2]

With all the chaos in Congress over Repeal and Replace, going on, I can honestly tell you that had I been on the Obamacare package, I'd either choose to die, or go deeply in debt to pay the yearly deductible and my percentage of the bill fllowing the yearly deductible.

My recent brush with death, emergency sugery to clean the pus and bacteeria in my shoulder, and 17 days in the hosptal was very, very expensive. I know this as a fact, because on behalf of my retirement paid HMO and Medicare I received the breakout of costs paidbe Medicare and the HMO. THE GRAND TOTAL, which doesn't include the home infusio maerial ad numeros weekly medical visits for lab work and and PICC line dessing changes and numerous procedures on major organs in an attempt to find cancer, which the doctors were sure the cause of my being aniemea!

The total costs for everything, to date, was mote then $124,000.00, and I've only been biilld for $38.00, for meds Ii had tontake home after being discharged. However had I been on Obamcare, I'd be brooke and in debt. So, if you ask me, Congress is light years from a comprehensive plan, that is not expensive, and cost effective to keep the sick person out of the poorhouse after their health is restored.

THANK YOU JESUS FOR A FANTASTIC HMO, that costs me not in, other then beig able to get well and be stress free.

 

[Baptist Believer]

With all the chaos in Congress over Repeal and Replace, going on, I can honestly tell you that had I been on the Obamacare package, I'd either choose to die, or go deeply in debt to pay the yearly deductible and my percentage of the bill fllowing the yearly deductible.

I understand your situation.

I had a major health crisis a few years ago and my bills were well over $150,000 for 2014. Just for the follow up appointments since 2014 (with no new issues), my medical bills have been $30,000/year - just received a bill on Monday showing a nearly $10,000 charge for a series of blood tests and an appointment with a specialist.

I am fortunately to have had pretty good insurance through my job for much of this, although I was still out more than $4,000 per year between 2014-2016 for my deductibles. For about six months, I was on an Obamacare Gold package that was not very good, but half the monthly price of the work-related insurance after the adjustments made for income (I later had to pay back the $350 a month supplement ($2,100 total) when I did my taxes because of the changes to my insurance plan and income.)

I am not a fan of Obamacare, but I am less of a fan of not having Obamacare. We can do better as a nation, but the Republican plans that have been put forward look like they will only make the situation much worse than better. President Trump campaigned on fixing healthcare, but we haven't really seen anything from his promises - just a bunch of "putting the finishing touches on a healthcare bill" promises, a claim that "nobody knew" that healthcare was complicated, and a promise of a "surprise" that is promised shortly, but if anyone knows anything about it, they are being tight-lipped.

I would be delighted if Trump rolled out what he promised in the campaign.

 

[Bro. James]

The basic problem has been identified: we, the body politic of the U. S. of A have demanded all of these retirement perks, gratuities, honorariums and entitlements that no entity can afford to pay including the federal government. We are $20T in the hole without a remedy identified. Check out the national debt clock on the www. Continuing to use red ink and new federal notes will not solve the problem. The Clinton regime had the same problem in'92.

Let's put up some more redlights and cameras. We could collect a lot more welfare money to help pay for welfare. Another possibility: reduce the bureaucracy by 50% at all levels. They could go on welfare too. Didn't Tom Jefferson have a warning about bureaucracy and banks?

We are drowning in red ink and have not a clue.

One possible clue: Babylon is falling.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[InTheLight]

With all the chaos in Congress over Repeal and Replace, going on, I can honestly tell you that had I been on the Obamacare package, I'd either choose to die, or go deeply in debt to pay the yearly deductible and my percentage of the bill fllowing the yearly deductible.

Your percentage of the bill following the yearly deductible? Can you explain? Once your deductible is reached there should be no further charges.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

 

[Bro. James]

Follow up reference: The Jefferson Perspective: Bureaucracies and Their Derelictions, found on www.

Bro. James

 

[rsr]

Your percentage of the bill following the yearly deductible? Can you explain? Once your deductible is reached there should be no further charges.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

No, it's the out of pocket limit that puts a cap on your expenses. You have to meet the deductible, at which time the co-pay applies. The co-pay continues until the out of pocket maximum is reached.

 

[Deacon]

THANK YOU JESUS FOR A FANTASTIC HMO, that costs me not in, other then being able to get well and be stress free.

Jesus didn't pay that bill... I did. ...and you're welcome.

Rob

 

[church mouse guy]

Obamacare, a form of socialized medicine, allows the government to decide what they will give you and what they will not--this is true for England in the case of the infant that the government won't release to private doctors and this is true in communist countries such as Cuba where Castrocare will not even provide food, housing, clothing, and utilities to a subjugated people.

Americans, long used to the best medical care in the history of the world and a beacon of medical care for the world, now is considering destroying everything good in order to have a corrupt inept lying government commandeer the medical system to the determent of people born free with God-given rights so that we can become like some Latin American dictatorship such as Venezuela, for example, where the dictator only yesterday sent his thugs into the congressional chambers to physically beat up the peoples elected officials and wash the whole chamber in blood--Venezuela does not even have basic medicines in the country anymore and babies have cardboard boxes for hospital cribs but the government is in charge of everyone's healthcare.

 

[InTheLight]

Obamacare, a form of socialized medicine, allows the government to decide what they will give you and what they will not--

Nope. Wrong. ObamaCare is a subsidy for people to buy health insurance from private health insurance companies. When it comes to specific treatments, if anyone decides who gets what under Obamacare it is the insurance companies.

Americans, long used to the best medical care in the history of the world and a beacon of medical care for the world, now is considering destroying everything good in order to have a corrupt inept lying government commandeer the medical system to the determent of people born free with God-given rights so that we can become like some Latin American dictatorship such as Venezuela, for example, where the dictator only yesterday sent his thugs into the congressional chambers to physically beat up the peoples elected officials and wash the whole chamber in blood--Venezuela does not even have basic medicines in the country anymore and babies have cardboard boxes for hospital cribs but the government is in charge of everyone's healthcare.

Nice rant you got there.

 

[church mouse guy]

Nope. Wrong. ObamaCare is a subsidy for people to buy health insurance from private health insurance companies. When it comes to specific treatments, if anyone decides who gets what under Obamacare it is the insurance companies.



Nice rant you got there.

You know that you are not exactly on the money there. The purpose of Obamacare was to lead to single-payer and rationed care with death panels. Actually, the federal government was supposed to give money to the insurance companies. At any rate, it was a tax and people were forced to have healthcare so you have overlooked who actually was in control and who was intended to be in control.

Why are you always so superiorly dismissive? Can't you be nice? America has had the best medical care in the world and what I have said about Latin America is not a rant but the truth. Does it disturb you that someone criticizes Castrocare and Madurocare?

 

[InTheLight]

You know that you are not exactly on the money there. The purpose of Obamacare was to lead to single-payer and rationed care with death panels.

You said ObamaCare allows the "government to decide what they give you and what they will not" referring to the treatments one may receive. This is false. Now you are saying ObamaCare's purpose was to lead to single payer and rationed health care. Well, make up your mind!

Actually, the federal government was supposed to give money to the insurance companies.

The federal government IS GIVING MONEY to insurance companies. It's called Cost Sharing Reduction payments or CSR's. It was about $7 billion a year until a court ruled it was unconstitutional after Marco Rubio raised the issue. But the GOP Senate plan reinstates these payments, even retroactively to 2016!

At any rate, it was a tax and people were forced to have healthcare so you have overlooked who actually was in control and who was intended to be in control.

No I didn't. I responded to your allegation that ObamaCare puts the government in charge of deciding treatments. It does not.

Why are you always so superiorly dismissive?

Because there are so many stupid things being said.

America has had the best medical care in the world

Yes, if you can afford it.

and what I have said about Latin America is not a rant but the truth. Does it disturb you that someone criticizes Castrocare and Madurocare?

Not at all. It was a diversion to an entirely different subject matter. It was a rant. The US health care system, whether under ObamaCare or pre-ObamaCare looks nothing like CastroCare or CaracasCare.

 

[Bro. James]

I wonder if the Amerinds had Medicare before the Europeans exploited them?

Our country is controlled by special interest groups: energy(mostly crude oil), opioids(legal and illegal), alcohol, tobacco, gun running etc, etc, ad infinitum. An over blown bureaucracy is in there too. A majority of our populace is amoral(a basic problem related to the total depravity of man).
We need to take a serious look at ourselves in a 10X mirror.

That is my vitriolic rave and rant for today.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[church mouse guy]

You said ObamaCare allows the "government to decide what they give you and what they will not" referring to the treatments one may receive. This is false. Now you are saying ObamaCare's purpose was to lead to single payer and rationed health care. Well, make up your mind!



The federal government IS GIVING MONEY to insurance companies. It's called Cost Sharing Reduction payments or CSR's. It was about $7 billion a year until a court ruled it was unconstitutional after Marco Rubio raised the issue. But the GOP Senate plan reinstates these payments, even retroactively to 2016!



No I didn't. I responded to your allegation that ObamaCare puts the government in charge of deciding treatments. It does not.



Because there are so many stupid things being said.



Yes, if you can afford it.



Not at all. It was a diversion to an entirely different subject matter. It was a rant. The US health care system, whether under ObamaCare or pre-ObamaCare looks nothing like CastroCare or CaracasCare.

You are just too intelligent for anyone to contradict and I don't blame you for being so nasty. The US medical system will soon look like Castrocare or Madurocare if socialistic medicine is enacted by McConnell and Ryan. Socialism and socialists are inherently evil and the purpose is to control who gets what as we are seeing in even England. If the government is paying for your medicine, they are going to control what you get under Obamacare or Castrocare. That's just pure human nature.