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Haggard Newsflash

Discussion in '2008 Archive' started by Martin, Feb 6, 2007.

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  1. Martin

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    "DENVER — One of four ministers who oversaw three weeks of intensive counseling for the Rev. Ted Haggard said the disgraced minister emerged convinced that he is "completely heterosexual." Haggard also said his sexual contact with men was limited to the former male prostitute who came forward with sexual allegations, the Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur told The Denver Post for a story in Tuesday's edition. "He is completely heterosexual," Ralph said. "That is something he discovered. It was the acting-out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing."-SOURCE
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    I don't know if it is possible to have a three week counseling session solve the problems Haggard clearly had (has). Despite what Haggard claims I have a hard time believing that such behavior was a "one time" thing. I am sure Haggard had done things before, maybe not as bold, but I am sure he had done things before. Haggard is, thankfully, going into a secular field of work.
     
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  2. Scarlett O.

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    I think somebody needs to get that man a dictionary and have a three-week counseling session on what the word "completely" means! :laugh:

    And does this mean that if I have an affair 4 or less times with married man that I am not a home wrecker.....I was just acting out? As long as it is not a constant thing, I can't be labeled for my actions? :confused:

    Seriously, though, none of this is funny. He needs our prayers and has mine.

    I hope the man is "completely" heterosexual. But realistically speaking, if he committed homosexual acts with four different men, how many times did he do nothing but think about it or consider it or just be in misery of temptation of it without acting out.

    He may be claiming "complete" heterosexually, but, odds are, he is going to have a struggle with temptation that needs to be dealt with.

    And I'm just curious here, how does one counsel a man into heterosexual discovery?
     
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  3. Brother Bob

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    He needs Christ in his heart and not just his mind.
     
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    Rich people and politicians take care of their own.
     
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  5. Brother Bob

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    I guess so in this life but one day we will all stand before God and money or power will not matter, only the life we have lived here, the only thing we have to offer.
     
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    There seems to be some confusion as to what homosexuality is. We slip into thinking it is something someone is, when really it's something someone does. I believe Satan can perverse anything God gives us, including our sexuality, even if we think we are hetero and OK! Beware, so-called heterosexuals. If you give Satan an opening, you too can be into perversions you never imagined.
     
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  7. Brother Bob

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    I just don't have to beware of that. It totally makes me sick to think of such people, especially someone who claims to be a minister of the Gospel and all the time guilty of what he preached against.
     
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  8. Martin

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    ==Of course temptation is not a sin. After all Jesus Himself was tempted yet He was without sin. So I am not going to be tough with someone just because they are tempted to do "____________" (as long as they don't act out).




    ==The problem with Haggard is that he gave into those temptations and, no, I don't believe it was just the situation in was in (or whatever excuse they gave). I just have a very hard time accepting the idea that Haggard is "completely heterosexual", I just don't believe it. And that after a three week counseling session? Sorry, I just don't believe it. I am concerned that these people, including Haggard, have taken a short cut in an attempt to repair his "image". I hope, and pray, that Haggard and those around him understand that he should have years of Christian counseling ahead of him. He needs to have a strong accountability partner and by that I don't mean one of these "nice evangelicals", I mean a strong, Godly, Bible believing Christian who will ask the tough questions and, if need be, get in Haggard's face (like Nathan did with David). Really I suppose we all need that to one degree or another, but Haggard "really" needs it.



    ==Not sure.
     
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  9. Martin

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    ==Very good advice. I know of men who said, "I would never do ...........". Guess what Satan got them with? You guessed it! Exactly what they said they would never fall for. My pastor preached on this subject just a few weeks ago come to think about it.
     
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    It is obvious that haggard wants back in the pulpit as soon as possible.
     
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    I agree that mere temptation is not a sin.

    But I also included in that statement, considering homosexuality and thinking about it (fantasizing about it).

    Temptation begins within us. And the reason that it can make us miserable is that we toss the ideas back and forth. You know, the little devil on one shoulder and the little angel on the other? That's why Eve got into so much trouble. When the devil tempted her, she got into a conversation with him, initially trying to argue with him that he was wrong, but of her own accord, failing.

    The reason that Jesus did not sin is because he never debated it nor considered it. He dismissed it. He used the word of God, specifically, the book of Deuteronomy as God's way of escape.

    Jesus said that if we think about sexual impurity, we have committed it. I was saying that if Haggard had four different homosexual partners that he acted upon the temptation with, how many times did he just wonder about other men and think to himself..."What would he be like?" To me, that's a sin.

    Being tempted? No, it's not a sin.

    Thinking about committing sin and trying to justify a yes or a no? Yes.

    His struggle will be with the desire for men. He may never have another homosexual encounter, but he will definitely struggle with it.







     
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    I guess there are some things we "know" and there are some things we guess about. I do not have to guess about that one. But what do I know, :)
     
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    ==Sorry, I should have made it more clear, I was not disagreeing with anything you said. I was just clarifying a point. Anyway I agree with what you said earlier and what you have said here. :thumbs:
     
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    According to CNN.com...

    "Haggard said in an e-mail Sunday, his first communication in three months to church members, that he and his wife, Gayle, plan to pursue master's degrees in psychology. The e-mail said the family hasn't decided where to move but that they were considering Missouri and Iowa."

    Why are all these new evangelical types so attached to psychology? Not that there is anything wrong with psychology I just keep noticing that those who are what I call new evangelicals (popular) tend to be attracted to psychology.
     
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    I have questioned many people who have gone to college and they all have agreed that the most maladjusted, wacked-out profs they had were psychology profs. Obviously there are exceptions among psychologists, but I'm talking about a large sampling of students and their unanimous testimony convinces me that their experience is typical.

    How to explain this phenomenon?

    I suspect the cause is twofold. (1) The discipline attracts people who are more messed up than average and who wish to figure themselves out and (2) "self" being an unprofitable topic to focus on, focusing on it messes them up all the more.

    Sexuality is near the core of our being. If Haggard can desire and enjoy a male, he is deeply twisted. (More deeply than average.) Scarlett is right: "completely heterosexual" needs a new dictionary before it can apply to Haggard.
     
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  16. Terry_Herrington

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    Haggard is just another con-man preacher who got caught.
     
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    I just don't trust big churches. Too much leaven. Churches that grow, should plant other churches.

    Remember, that guy took the money, and showed to be a fraud. Those rejoicing over Kent Hovind's demise should be equally gleeful, now.
     
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    Me, too. :tear:
     
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    Hard to know from a distance. From where I sit he looks like one sick guy whose worst offense was staying in the ministry when he knew that he was unqualified. As such, he did tremendous collateral damage.

    There are some who are just conning people: using the pulpit as a means of income, laughing at the suckers who refuse to see through them, preaching whatever social theory they find uplifting. There are others who believe and preach the truth but fall into the category Mark Twain described when he said that every man is like the moon: he has a dark side that no one ever sees. They try and try, but they fail.

    They need to vacate the pulpit and work out their problems elsewhere.
     
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    This is a good point. Exactly why was this announcement made in the first place? It seems to me that the less the public sees or hears from Haggard, the less damage he will continue to do. For instance, this 90-day miracle should provide material for quite a few comedians.
     
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