Halliburton Supports Republicians. Is This Good for America?

[Crabtownboy]

Targus pointed out that YOU were the one bringing in other corporations, others pointed out that it wasn't just Halliburton. You chose Halliburton for 2 reasons, 1) the article was about them and 2) the gave primarily to the Republican party.

But you enlarged the subject and others just drove thru the road you paved. Then you do your typical thing and refuse to answer or respond. You are the proto-typical leftist. When the debate goes against you, you move on to another hit and run post aimed at conservatives.

Do you criticize Halliburton for defrauding the government?

 

[targus]

Do you criticize Halliburton for defrauding the government?

Please provide your proof that Haliburton defrauded the government.

Edited to add link below:

http://www.factcheck.org/anti-bush_ad_overstates_case_against_halliburton.html

 

[Crabtownboy]

Please provide your proof that Haliburton defrauded the government.

Edited to add link below:

http://www.factcheck.org/anti-bush_ad_overstates_case_against_halliburton.html

It seems a bit strange to use an article from 2004 in an attempt to discredit one from 2010. Just in cause you forgot:

Halliburton, in case you’ve forgotten, is not exactly a model citizen. It has evaded U.S. taxes and export bans through foreign subsidiaries; admitted to bribing foreign officials (a subsidiary paid $2.4 million to a Nigerian government official in exchange for favorable tax treatment); conceded in an internal memo (leaked to the Wall Street Journal) its cost controls for government contracts in Iraq were “antiquated” and its procurement “disorganized; was found by Pentagon auditors to have overcharged estimated at $27.4 million for meals served to American troops at five military bases in Iraq and Kuwait (in one camp billing for an average 42,000 meals a day but serving only 14,000).

http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/...ming-election/

Now, do you defend Halliburton in defrauding the government in the way described? Do you defend these business practices?

 

[targus]

It seems a bit strange to use an article from 2004 in an attempt to discredit one from 2010. Just in cause you forgot:

Your proof is an opinion article that cites no source.

Please provide your evidence of the fraud.

For all we know your opinion piece is simple repeated the myth.

]Now, do you defend Halliburton in defrauding the government in the way described? Do you defend these business practices?

There is nothing to defend at this point because you have proved nothing.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Your proof is an opinion article that cites no source.

Please provide your evidence of the fraud.

For all we know your opinion piece is simple repeated the myth.

The Democratic Party held a public committee, aired on C-SPAN 3, at which former civilian employees based in or administering operations in Iraq, testified to specific instances of waste, fraud, and other abuses and irregularities by Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR).

Allegations of fraud by Halliburton, specifically with regard to its operations in Iraq, have persisted since before the Iraq War. The associations between U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Hallibur
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Civilians_testify_to_Halliburton_fraud,_coercion

According to sources and published reports, Kellogg, Brown & Root - the Halliburton subsidiary that runs these military dining halls - has billed the government for millions of meals soldiers never ate, because, as CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andrews, it is billing on the number of meals projected in advance, not the actual number of meals served.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/02/eveningnews/main597566.shtml

Halliburton

* ADMITTED BRIBING NIGERIAN OFFICIALS: In a 2002 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Halliburton has admitted that "one of our foreign subsidiaries operating in Nigeria made improper payments of approximately $2.4 million" during the time Vice President Cheney was the company's CEO. [Source: Dallas Morning News, 1/9/04]
* ADMITTED BRIBING KUWAITI OFFICIALS: Halliburton had to pay $6.3 million to the Army after two employees took kickbacks in return for awarding a Kuwaiti-based company with lucrative work supplying U.S. troops in Iraq. [Sources: Reuters, 2/11/04; WSJ, 1/23/04]
* NIGERIA INVESTIGATING BRIBERY CHARGES: Nigeria is conducting an investigation into "allegations that a Halliburton subsidiary paid $180 million in bribes to land a natural gas project contract" in that country during the time Vice President Cheney was the company's CEO. [Source: NYT, 2/7/04]
* DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, SEC INVESTIGATING NIGERIA BRIBERY CHARGES: The Justice Department and the SEC are investigating whether Halliburton Co. was involved in the payment of $180 million in possible kickbacks to obtain contracts to build a natural gas plant in Nigeria during a period in the late 1990's when Vice President Dick Cheney was chairman of the company. [Source: Newsweek, 2/4/04]

* HALLIBURTON EVADED U.S.SANCTIONS TO DO BUSINESS WITH IRAN: The Treasury Department reopened a 2001 inquiry that "centered on the legality of the business dealings between Iran and a Halliburton subsidiary incorporated in the Cayman Islands." Under Cheney's leadership, the company used loopholes that allowed "companies to get around the sanctions and conduct business through foreign subsidiaries as long as these entities are not run by Americans." [Source: Reuters, 2/11/04]
* HALLIBURTON EVADED U.S.SANCTIONS AND DID BUSINESS WITH IRAQ: “According to oil industry executives and confidential United Nations records... Halliburton held stakes in two firms that signed contracts to sell more than $73 million in oil production equipment and spare parts to Iraq while Cheney was chairman and chief executive officer of the Dallas-based company." [Source: Wash. Post, 6/23/01]

* HALLIBURTON OVERCHARGED FOR MEALS: Halliburton has to pay the Pentagon for $27.4 million in overcharges for meals served to troops abroad. The company allegedly billed the government for meals that were never served to troops. Auditors are now looking into the company's food contracts at more than 50 other locations. [Source: LA Times, 2/3/04].
* PENTAGON INVESTIGATING OVERCHARGING FOR GAS: A Pentagon investigation is continuing after an audit found Halliburton overcharged the Army by $61 million for gasoline delivered to Iraq as part of its no-bid contract to help rebuild Iraq's oil industry. [Sources: LA Times, 2/3/04; AP, 12/12/03]
* PENTAGON INVESTIGATING UNSANITARY KITCHENS: The Pentagon reported finding "blood all over the floor," "dirty pans," "dirty grills," "dirty salad bars" and "rotting meats ... and vegetables" in four of the military messes the company operates in Iraq. [Source: AFP, 12/14/03]
* HALLIBURTON GOUGING IN THE BALKANS: The General Accounting Office found in 1997 Halliburton "billed the Army for questionable expenses for work in the Balkans, including charges of $85.98 per sheet of plywood that cost $14.06. A year 2000 follow-up report on the Balkans work that found inflated costs, including charges for cleaning some offices up to four times a day." [Source: AP, 12/12/03]
* HALLIBURTON GOUGING CALIFORNIA BASE: In February 2002, Halliburton paid $2 million in fines "for defrauding the government of millions of dollars by inflating prices for repairs and maintenance for work." [Source: NYT, 6/13/02]
* HALLIBURTON'S ACCOUNTING: The SEC investigated Halliburton for disreputable accounting practices in 1998 under Cheney's watch. Halliburton increased revenue by $89 million in the fourth quarter of 1998 "by postponing possible losses from customers' nonpayments." [Source: Wash. Post, 6/16/02]


http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b29636.html

That should be enough.





There is nothing to defend at this point because you have proved nothing.[/QUOTE]

 

[targus]

That should be enough.

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Your stories all say "allegation" - nothing about proof.

The stories about bribes and kick backs relate to countries where that is the only way that business is done.

How about an article that refers to charges brought against Halliburton?

Or an article about fines levied against Halliburton?

Perhaps a story about convictions of Halliburton employees or officers?

 

[Tom Bryant]

Do you criticize Halliburton for defrauding the government?

Apparently leftists have no memory even of their own statements. I said they shouldn't be lifted up, which you mentioned.

You say they have defrauded the gov't. Your statement is not proof no matter how seriously you take it. Reich's statement is not proof. Apparently left wingers only believe in innocent until proven guilty when it applies to other of your ilk.

I am out of this conversation because arguing with you is like arguing with my cat.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Apparently leftists have no memory even of their own statements. I said they shouldn't be lifted up, which you mentioned.

You say they have defrauded the gov't. Your statement is not proof no matter how seriously you take it. Reich's statement is not proof. Apparently left wingers only believe in innocent until proven guilty when it applies to other of your ilk.

I am out of this conversation because arguing with you is like arguing with my cat.

I am not sure what you mean by proof. Are you saying the Pentagon auditors are liars and just because they say that H defrauded the gov. that is not proof? If you are demanding more then there is not a thread, except perhaps on a very rare exception, on this board that is proven.

Have you demanded such proofs when people call Obama a Muslim or a socialist?

 

[Crabtownboy]

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Your stories all say "allegation" - nothing about proof.

Reporters have to cover themselves from being sued for liability, slander and declamation.

The stories about bribes and kick backs relate to countries where that is the only way that business is done.[/quote]

Which is illegal according to our laws.

How about an article that refers to charges brought against Halliburton?

Or an article about fines levied against Halliburton?

Well, how about ..................

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Halliburton Fined Record $569 Million for Bribing Foreign Officials — While Cheney Was CEO

http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/h...ibing-foreign-officials-while-cheney-was-ceo/

or

The litany of allegations and fines against U.S. energy giant Halliburton continued this week as the company agreed to pay a record $559 million fine. The fine came as part of a settlement for charges that a Halliburton subsidiary bribed Nigerian officials during a gas deal.
http://www.corporatecomplianceinsig...d-555-million-for-bribing-nigerian-officials/

or

Halliburton: The oilfield services provider will pay a $559 million (£401 million) fine to end an investigation of KBR, its former unit, if the US Government approves the settlement, the largest penalty against a US company for charges of bribery under federal law.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/need_to_know/article5594841.ece

Perhaps a story about convictions of Halliburton employees or officers?

In a way, the fines are convictions, not necessarily of personnel, but it is the officers who had to approve the practices that resulted in the fines. Also, remember, it is a minefield to go after officials of companies when the VP, now former VP of the US is their friend.

 

[targus]

Reporters have to cover themselves from being sued for liability, slander and declamation.

Too bad you don't exercise the same caution. :tongue3:

In a way, the fines are convictions, not necessarily of personnel, but it is the officers who had to approve the practices that resulted in the fines. Also, remember, it is a minefield to go after officials of companies when the VP, now former VP of the US is their friend.[/FONT][/SIZE]

There you go again. :laugh:

How do you know that the officers of Halliburton approved of the bribes?

Why weren't they charged then?

As to your former VP statement - more allegation without proof.

Slandering others is a sin - you know that don't you?

It falls under the category of false witness.

 

[Robert Snow]

You are wasting your time Crabtownboy. People like Tom Bryant and Targus don't care about whether or not Halliburtion is cheating the U.S. or not. And they certainly can't allow you to be the one to point this out.

Why you could start a thread about how the dawn brings sunshine, and they would ask you for proof.

 

[targus]

You are wasting your time Crabtownboy. People like Tom Bryant and Targus don't care about whether or not Halliburtion is cheating the U.S. or not. And they certainly can't allow you to be the one to point this out.

Why you could start a thread about how the dawn brings sunshine, and they would ask you for proof.

We care - and we also care about truth.

Perhaps you can show evidence that Haliburton defrauded the government.

Not holding my breath though.

Notice how Crabby was forced to change his allegations from defrauding the government to payoffs in foreign countries where payoffs are the standard practice of business.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You are wasting your time Crabtownboy. People like Tom Bryant and Targus don't care about whether or not Halliburtion is cheating the U.S. or not. And they certainly can't allow you to be the one to point this out.

Why you could start a thread about how the dawn brings sunshine, and they would ask you for proof.

You are quite right and I have realized this for some time. However, just like in carrying the message of Christ to others we do not stop simply because there are those who will reject the message simply because they do not like the message and/or the messenger.

It became obvious to me quite some months ago that some will reject anything I say simply because they do not like me. However that causes me no worry nor emotional upset. It would be nice if they engaged in rational discussion, but I realize that is not going to happen any time soon.

Thanks for your kind words.

It will be interesting to see how they twist my words.

 

[sag38]

Don't you all just feel the liberal love fest?

 

[targus]

You are quite right and I have realized this for some time. However, just like in carrying the message of Christ to others we do not stop simply because there are those who will reject the message simply because they do not like the message and/or the messenger.

Martyr complex?

Somebody really thinks highly of himself.

It became obvious to me quite some months ago that some will reject anything I say simply because they do not like me. However that causes me no worry nor emotional upset. It would be nice if they engaged in rational discussion, but I realize that is not going to happen any time soon.

There can be no rational discussion until you offer FACTS instead of allegations.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Martyr complex?

Martyr complex? Oh no. Not to recognize a disliking like yours to me is most obvious.

Somebody really thinks highly of himself.

Yes, you really do think highly of yourself. I am surprised you recognize this in yourself.

There can be no rational discussion until you offer FACTS instead of allegations.

To you the only facts are those that you yourself believe in. If facts are not to your liking you simply ignore or reject them. So you are correct in that there is no rational discussion with you.

Do you really contend that Halliburton conducts itself ethically?

 

[targus]

To you the only facts are those that you yourself believe in. If facts are not to your liking you simply ignore or reject them. So you are correct in that there is no rational discussion with you.

How would you know?

You haven't provided any.

Do you really contend that Halliburton conducts itself ethically?

Do you really think that it is Christ like to judge others based on unproven allegations?

Do you really think that it is Christ like to then take it a step further by judging others based on association?

As you are doing with Halliburton and Republicans?

And do you really compare this stupid topic with spreading the Gospel?

PUH-LEEZZZZ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

How would you know?

You haven't provided any.

Simple, because you never acknowledge anything as fact that you initially disagree with.

Do you really think that it is Christ like to judge others based on unproven allegations?

The fines are not allegations and Haliburton has admitted to breaking US law by bribing foreign officials. .

Do you really think that it is Christ like to then take it a step further by judging others based on association?

I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

As you are doing with Halliburton and Republicans?

So you are saying that Halliburton is an ethical company. I only said that they gave Republicians donations and asked is this good for the country. Is it?

And do you really compare this stupid topic with spreading the Gospel?

PUH-LEEZZZZ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:[/QUOTE]

 

[rbell]

Quick question for crabby...

Do you feel guilt when you lie?

Just wondering.

 

[targus]

Simple, because you never acknowledge anything as fact that you initially disagree with.

What facts?

List them.

The fines are not allegations and Haliburton has admitted to breaking US law by bribing foreign officials. . .

That is your bait and switch.

Your OP was about defrauding the government.

Now you want to switch it to something else.

Please stay on topic. :tongue3:

I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

Ain't that a surpise !:laugh:

So you are saying that Halliburton is an ethical company..

Just saying that you have given nothing more than allegations.

You seem quite comfortable judging those you dislike based on mere allegations but I am not. :saint:

I only said that they gave Republicians donations and asked is this good for the country. Is it? ..

Really? That's all that you have said?

How is it bad for the country?