Hamas wins an election...are we to see the beginning of the next intifada in Israel?

The corruption that built up within Fatah during Arafat's days is causing Abbas a lot of problems.

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Of course, with electoral victories come responsibilities in governing. Hopefully, this will result in Hamas working within the democratic system and moving away from violence in much the same way that we hope that increased Sunni involvement in the recent Iraqi election will result in less support for the terrorists in Iraq.

 

Patience, Joseph, patience. There are a lot of political winds swirling on both the Palestinian and Israeli sides of working toward a two State solution.

 

I don't think that anyone seriously expected Arafat to rein in any terrorists.

As for Hamas when taking over governing responsibilities the voters expect results in improving their daily lives. Failure to do so results in loss of public support. Hamas is about to find out that ruling on the inside is way different from agitating on the outside.

 

Agreed.

 

Joseph, I agree with you that Sharon should be through. I think that he was forced to give up the Gaza by the USA in return for our fighting the war in Iraq. At any rate, the USA restrained Israel from holding the Gaza. I think that Israel should keep the Bank and force the Arabs into Gaza. One thing that could be done is to fire all Arabs with jobs in Israel.

 

I feel faint. One day perhaps, Joseph, you will realize the gravity of what the Road Map plan was/is about and why I did not vote for Bush, who implemented it (as part of the Quartet). (One of my top 3 reasons for not voting for him.)

Once someone understands the enemy and ideology of the enemy, it is relatively easy to predict their next move.

The goal of the Palestinian leaders/people/factions has NEVER been to have a state living alongside Israelis. The goal is to utterly destroy the nation and people of Israel and drive them into the sea. They haven't even been discrete about it.

I don't want to say I told you so...............

 

LE's right that the Palistanians don't care about statehood, they only want Israel's destruction.
All the Arab nations in the area want that, and the sooner we understand that and bias our national stance accordingly, the better. Iran must lose their nuclear abilities, unless giving free open access to all venues associated with it.

Just like America wouldn't have prospered without slaves in the beginning, Israel couldn't keep on without the Palistinian workers.

As I've said before, absolutely no agreement is going to provide peace in the region, til the Lord Himself returns and sets up His Kingdom.

 

The Palistinians do not want the responsibilities associated with statehood. The welfare load alone would be staggering. Having to comport themselves as a responsible nation is completely beyond them at this time.

THis nation was founded as a Republic, with laws based on the scriptures, and I know you agree. We have steadily moved away from that foundation, but we clearly started out Blessed because of it.

Slavery was legal at the time and was not a horrible national sin that God felt compelled to condemn. These slaves contributed greatly to our rise to prominence. The bible is filled with societies utilizing slavery.

I'm sure there are fine hard working Palistinians, but they are hired workers very similar to our Mexican field hands here.

My Bible is clear that the whole world (almost) hates Israel, and that peace WILL NOT come till Christs return. Just look at the history of Israel since 1948 (I think statehood) There has been absolutely no lasting peace in spite of thousands of treaties, pacts, agreements and promises. Virtually every US president since then has tried brokering a peace with words such as,"well finally we have peace in our time" or other such unbiblical conclusion. You have not properly looked at God's word as it pertains today, and as a Baptist you won't, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

Barb says I seem callous to the slavery issue, and I don't want to be that way, and I don't condone slavery at all ever but it did occur, and goodness did come out of it, and this nation prospered. And slaves did hear the gospel and responded to Christ in huge numbers. I submit, that most, if not all these slaves would not have heard the Gospel in their lifetime were it not for slavery.

In a perfect world there would be no slavery. But we're not there yet.

 

This nation is still suffering from the fact of slavery. It was an evil for the South, too. What it did was suppress business and prosperity, because the few who could enslave many people and steal their labor, had an advantage over ethical businessmen in obtaining resources and revenue.

It produced a "second-class" America south of the Mason-Dixon line, where poverty ruled, and education was substandard. That's still a problem, although it is, thank God, finally abating.

Lingering resentments and mistrust still simmer from that awful time. Nothing good comes from evil.

 

"It produced a "second-class" America south of the Mason-Dixon line, where poverty ruled, and education was substandard. That's still a problem, although it is, thank God, finally abating."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That would be the fault of reconstruction, not slavery. And I have seen more prejudice in Nothern cities by both races than I ever saw in the south. In the south we go to school together and live together. In the norhern cities if you wonder into the wrong neighborhood, weather you are black or white, you might never come out again, at least not in one peice. We are suffering now becaus of the hate and fear mongering of folks like Jackson and Sharpton not because of a historical fact from 150 years ago.

And why does all the world's problems go back 150 years to American slavery, anyhow? Brainwashing!

 

"Barb says I seem callous to the slavery issue, and I don't want to be that way, and I don't condone slavery at all ever but it did occur, and goodness did come out of it, and this nation prospered. And slaves did hear the gospel and responded to Christ in huge numbers. I submit, that most, if not all these slaves would not have heard the Gospel in their lifetime were it not for slavery."---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In other words, God did not tell us about Joseph for nothing.

 

And how did we get from Hamas to American history of slavery, I humbly ask?

At any rate, the Palestinian people who were privileged, and I do mean privileged, to work for Israelis were glad to do so, because it was an income for their families. They weren't slaves at all. This was witnessed by the pulling out of Israel from the Gaza Strip and those who wanted to continue working in the Israeli greenhouses were bewailing the fact that they were losing employment once the Israelis pulled out.

We have handed out money for decades to the Palestinian people as a whole - it is the biggest welfare system the world has ever known. And what happened to the money? It was squandered and all that happened was fomenting of hate, instead of gratititude and trying to make a productive society.

There was a great article about this I found one time. I'll see if I can find the link later on today.