Featured Harmony or Hostility?

Sometimes you can find two verses that read very much the same in two different books, but then you also find the scholars think one verse was altered to read like another by a copyist in a misguided effort to present the true harmony of scripture. Translators might be tempted to engage in emendation too, and that of course would be very wrong.

One of the oft repeated phrases found in the New Testament is "from (or before) the foundation of the world." This phrase is found about 10 times. And the Greek word, transliterated Katabole (G2602) is translated as "foundation" in all 10 of these cases.

However, we can find a very similar phrase "from the foundation of the earth" also in the New Testament. One would assume that these phrases in the original Greek would be very similar, since they are translated almost in the same way. However, "katabole" also appears to mean "cast down" (see Hebrews 11:11) so why is it translated as if it means "foundation," when another Greek word, transliterated "Themelioo" (G2311) actually means foundation? See Hebrews 1:10.

So why do these very different phrases read nearly the same in many of our English translations, is this a case of actual harmony of message, or a case of hostility to God's inspired word?

It is interesting to consider Hebrews 6:1, because both our words appear, but the idea is "not again casting down the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith in God." "Foundation" is another translation of "themelioo" and (in verb form) "kataballomeno" is rendered "laying or casting down." (See Hebrews 6:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:9)

What if God's word was intended to say, from (or before) the founding of humanity?

 

Yet another blow hard spouting nonsense, demeaning others, rather than contributing

 

Yet another blow hard spouting nonsense, demeaning others, rather than contributing.

 

Why are posters (see posts # 2,3 and 4) addressing me and not the thread topic.

I pointed out that "from the foundation of the world" probably meant from the founding of humanity. No one offered any argument to support that cast down as in casting down seed includes the idea of founding or conception.

And no one argued against the idea that emendation to create harmony reflects hostility toward the sovereignty of God's Word.

 

No, you did not provide any answer, just the usual drivel disparaging me.

I pointed out that "from the foundation of the world" probably meant from the founding of humanity. No one offered any argument to support that cast down as in casting down seed includes the idea of founding or conception.

And no one argued against the idea that emendation to create harmony reflects hostility toward the sovereignty of God's Word.

 

What is the context of the verses which include the phrase, the foundation of the world?
Matthew 13:35 refers to the time period since things were hidden from humanity.

Matthew 25:34 refers to the kingdom prepared for people since the founding of humanity.

Luke 11:50 refers to charging the shed blood of prophets against humanity since the founding of humanity.

John 17:24 refers to Christ existing before the founding of humanity.

Ephesians 1:4 refers to Christ being chosen before the founding of humanity to be God's redeemer and the corporate choice therefore of those His redeemer would redeem.

Hebrews 4:3 refers to God completing His words since the founding of humanity.

Hebrews 9:26 refers to the fact Christ would have needed to suffer many times since the founding of humanity if He was like the human High Priests, entering a temple made by human hands, but He was not, and offered Himself once for all.

1 Peter 1:20 refers to Christ being know as the Lamb of God before the founding of humanity.

Revelation 13:8 refers to names written in the Lamb's book of life since the founding of humanity.

Revelation 17:8 refers to names written in the Lamb's book of life since the founding of humanity.

 

I present the basis for my understanding of scripture which differs from yours. You make up disparagement because you do not seem to be able to support your views from scripture.

Actually, I started out with the idea I would support Calvinism by studying scripture. But when I found verse after verse that had to be expanded in scope to find Calvinism I saw the light.

And the premise of this thread in no way undermines Calvinism, it suggests some verses in our English translations are sometimes agenda driven nonsense.

And you Sir are the one unwilling to accept what scripture says. I say it actually means what it says and not the opposite of what it says, For example saved through faith, not saved then given faith.

 

The phrase "ability to conceive" is a translation of the Greek construction of "dunamin eis kabolen spernatis: (power for down-casting of seed). Thus Hebrews 11:11 demonstrates (1) katabole means down-casting and (2) used to indicating the laying down or founding of something.