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has ANYONE other then Jesus received A Glorified Body yet?
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When upon the transfiguration mount, one views Moses and Elijah, they are in their glorified state - although they will return (in my opinion) to be killed and the people of the earth hold a huge mardi gras in celebration of their death.
All those alive in Christ at his coming receive the immortal body. John R. Rice used to talk about the blood being left behind. I wondered how many folks would be charged with murder?
Moses had an early experience of the transfiguration in the presence of God upon the Sinai mount. So much that he covered his head with a sack when he returned to the people.
Paul states that he new of one (though he didn't know if it was in or out of the body) that was carried up into heaven to see the sights.
Elisha saw Elijah being carried up into heaven. Obviously from the scene on the mount with Jesus the body was transformed.
Stephen took on a look of radiance according to the book of Acts.
I can't recall any others off the top of my head.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I have to disagree with you on this. Moses and Stephen did not have glorified bodies, but had the Shekinah glory of God upon them.
Bible said Jesus was the firstfruit, first of many to come...
there were those brought back from death in the Bible before and after Him, but he so far ONLY Human being received a glorified body, same one that he died in on the Cross, now raised up imperishable!
Yes. I agree. But when He returns in the clouds (rapture) the dead in Christ will rise first (before the living saints) and the those living will be caught up with Him. That was my point, which I apparently didn't make very well.
I consider the English a bit weak when it says that when Moses came down his face shown (a physical attribute emanating from within him). Actually it was more like a sparkler on the fourth of July. It can be described as rays of white shooting out.
2 Corinthians 3 states that the glory "faded away." In the original it has it as a personal attribute and not something "upon" him.
Is there anywhere in Scriptures that the Glory of God (Shekinah) fades away? I thought it was given or taken away (as in the tabernacle and later the temple).
hmmmm???
I don't know. I haven't studied all that out.
But based on the account of Moses and Stephen, they showed the glory of God in their faces just by being in His presence.
OldRegular
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How are they going to be killed if they are in glorified resurrection bodies?
OldRegular
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Enoch and Elijah were translated, did not see death, so they would have glorified bodies since Paul writes:
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Good question!
Some contend that it is Enoch and Elijah because neither died and the Scriptures say, "It is appointed once for man to die."
But, more to the point, it is what is recorded in the Revelation.
11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth, and devours their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city (Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were frightened, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
When in a time line do you place this happening?
OldRegular
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First: The two witnesses were not men.
Second: Since when do men have fire shoot out of their mouth.
Third: I thought that we were supposed to turn the other cheek, love our enemies, not scorch them!
Fourth: One should not attempt to put a timeline on Revelation. That just gets you into difficulty!
The answer is no. Jesus became the author of eternal salvation. By resurrection from the dead spiritual, a life giving spirit. The firstborn from the dead. Salvation is being given eternal life, in an incorruptible body.
Jesus the soul was resurrected from Hades and neither did his flesh see corruption. Flesh and bone incorruptible.
Up to the moment of the typing of this he is the only man born of woman of which this can be said.
Jesus the soul was resurrected from Hades and neither did his flesh see corruption. Flesh and bone incorruptible.
Up to the moment of the typing of this he is the only man born of woman of which this can be said.
convicted1
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Furthermore, the main problem I have with this pre-trib rapture is this. A vast majority of people, including sinners, have heard something about this scenario. Now if I were a sinner, and I saw the dead raising, and people "disappearing" around me, I'd be hitting my knees thisquick. When Jesus comes in the Cloud, He will be descending with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. Everyone will know when this takes place. If this scenario rang true(pre-trib rapture), then Jesus would have to come with a whisper, and with the kazoo of God.
preacher4truth
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The twinkling of an eye is a tad faster than a person getting on their knees. Maybe it's just me, but I'd say that it's probably already too late anyhow.
Keep in mind there will be those left who are His elect, and they too will be saved.
It will happen so fast that those left behind won't have a clue what happened. They will also be under a strong delusion to believe lies. (2 Thess 2:11)
The next 7 years are specifically meant for the Jews. This is when there eyes will be opened and know that Jesus is their Messiah and thus "all Israel will be saved".
What would dispell the notion that Moses and Elijah are in fact in glorified bodies would be that it is an impossibility for Christ to be the "firstfruits of the dead" if in fact these two men were glorified before Him.
The thought that they could not have entered the presence of God without being glorified denies that those that die in Christ can enter His presence, as they await His return for this to occur, as 1 Thessalonians 4 teaches.
That Moses died is not in question, Enoch and Elijah, however, are thought not to have died, though nowhere can we by scripture see that they were glorified in a resurrected body.
Only in Hebrews do we see that "Enoch did not see death," but that he was translated, meaning he went from one place to another, in which a change took place, and that he did not "see" death, meaning, in my view, he did not experience death as most men, which would point, in my view, that he did in fact die without having to experience it in any manner.
But if he was in fact glorified, we have to dismiss Paul's teaching concerning Christ, placing a resurrection of the dead from corruption to incorruption, meaning that Christ was not the first, but, the third.
God bless.
convicted1
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So Jesus would be coming again, again?
Hmmmm.
Did Moses wear this veil for the rest of his life?
2 Corinthians 3:11-13
King James Version (KJV)
11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Paul is teaching about the New Covenant, contrasted with that which is abolished...the Law which Moses delivered.
He is not talking about Moses' glowing face.
God bless.