"Hate" crimes

[Mexdeaf]

How long before preaching against sin becomes a "hate crime"?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576350,00.html?test=latestnews

 

[Johnv]

I think we talked this topic out already in the following thread:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=62398&highlight=hate

 

[FR7 Baptist]

I'm opposed to the hate crimes law as a matter of principle, but there's nothing that criminalizes speech. This is just more alarmist right-wing talk.

 

[rbell]

I'm opposed to the hate crimes law as a matter of principle, but there's nothing that criminalizes speech. This is just more alarmist right-wing talk.

From the article:

The new law signed by Obama now covers crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. It also removes the restriction that federal authorities can launch investigations of victims who were engaged in federally protected activities like voting or free speech.

Whoops, look like you're wrong.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm opposed to the hate crimes law as a matter of principle, but there's nothing that criminalizes speech. This is just more alarmist right-wing talk.

This post is just left wing defensive mode.

 

[Johnv]

Whoops, look like you're wrong.

I think you might be reading something that isn't there. You're making it sounds like, according to the story, the bill removes restrictions to allow federal authorities to investigate suspects engaged in federally protected activities like voting or free speech. That's no so. The story actually says that the bill removes restrictions to allow federal authorities to investigate victims engaged in federally protected activities like voting or free speech.

That said, I oppose hate crimes legislation in general, on principle alone.

 

[just-want-peace]

Just fer curiosity, I'd love to know how much of
1 "DISABILITIES" act,
2 "CIVIL RIGHTS" act,
3 "ANY OTHER" act
are administered in the form and practice that was the supposed goal of the legislation???

Can anybody name just one gov't edict (AKA "LAW") that has not been mutilated "technically", modified by some judge, laced with loopholes for the benefit of the elite, or otherwise having the stated intent aborted??

IOW is there any legislation that has been applied as it was supposedly intended, in the true spirit of the law??

I dare say NO!!

 

[Johnv]

just-want-peace makes a good point, but the very fact that a hearing involves a plaintiff/petitioner and a defendant/respondent guarantees that 50% of the people before a judge will find the ruling to be just and in accordance with the law, and the other 50% will find the ruling to be unjust and a mutilation of the law.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

This post is just left wing defensive mode.

LOL! I agree with you on the bill. I'm opposed to it. I just don't see the worst in everything when it doesn't exist. A few weeks ago, my pastor preached on James 3:1-12. When you are critical of every little thing and make things up that don't exist, I think that crosses the line. It's a good principle to assume the best unless you have good reason to assume otherwise.

 

[carpro]

I believe any laws on the books directed at what liberals so fondly call " hate crimes", are unconstitutional and will be proven so when the right case comes along.

 

[Johnv]

You might have a point, carpro. What do you think would qualify as such a case? That would be interesting.

 

[just-want-peace]

Paul3144 sez:

It's a good principle to assume the best unless you have good reason to assume otherwise.

Mostly I agree with this sentiment, BUT, AFAIC, this administration has given ample evidence that there IS "good reason to assume otherwise".

 

[Robert Snow]

I hate hate crime legislation!

 

[Berean]

Did not the 1st century Christians face the same thing that 21st century Christians faces today, preaching Jesus Christ? Today preaching Salvation through Christ (only way to eternal life) is hate speech and will result in imprisonment and probably death in these United States of America before the mid-century.

 

[windcatcher]

The love of the truth is not hate.
The real hate is in those who hate the truth.

Only God can judge the thoughts.
Man can only judge the actions. To try to do more is playing god...... and divides people into privileged sub-sets different from the equality before the law by which constitutional justice is founded.

 

[Johnv]

Did not the 1st century Christians face the same thing that 21st century Christians faces today, preaching Jesus Christ? Today preaching Salvation through Christ (only way to eternal life) is hate speech and will result in imprisonment and probably death in these United States of America before the mid-century.

Can you cite the specific law makes it illegal to preach salvation through Jesus Christ?

 

[rbell]

I hate hate crime legislation!

Is that a hate crime in and of itself?

 

[Berean]

Can you cite the specific law makes it illegal to preach salvation through Jesus Christ?

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I don,t believe there was any such law in the first century other then the charge of Blasphemy.

 

[Johnv]

What I asked was for you to cite the specific law that currently makes it illegal to preach salvation through Jesus Christ. You had said that preaching Salvation through Christ today will result in imprisonment and probably death in the US. Please cite the specific law which you are referring to.

 

[just-want-peace]

What I asked was for you to cite the specific law that currently makes it illegal to preach salvation through Jesus Christ. You had said that preaching Salvation through Christ today will result in imprisonment and probably death in the US. Please cite the specific law which you are referring to.

Read the statement a little more carefully! He's making a prophesy, not a statement


Berean sez:

Today preaching Salvation through Christ (only way to eternal life) is hate speech and will result in imprisonment and probably death in these United States of America before the mid-century.