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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, Nov 5, 2024.

  1. percho

    percho Well-Known Member
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    And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven; and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.

    Or, is he and they, still here, among us?

    Why not Mars, or Saturn or Pluto?

    Why here?
     
  2. Dave G

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    "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
    ( Revelation 12:7-9 )
    " And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. "
    ( Revelation 20:7-8 ).
     
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    " ‘And he was hurled down, the dragon, the great, the serpent, the old, the one called the devil and Satan, the one deceiving the whole world; hurled down was he to the earth, and his angels with him were hurled down. ’

    The picture which John sees is fully explained by the words which he hears. The battle in heaven and the hurling down of the dragon are not to be understood literally. Satan is ‘hurled down from heaven’ in this sense, namely that he has lost his place as an accuser of the brethren. Whereas Christ was born and rendered satisfaction for sin, Satan has lost every semblance of justice for his accusations against believers. True, he continues to accuse. That is his work even today. But no longer is he able to point to the unaccomplished work of the Saviour. Christ’s atonement has been fully accomplished; complete satisfaction for sin had been rendered when He ascended to heaven (cf. Romans 8:33: ‘Who shall bring any accusation against God’s elect? ’; cf also Romans 8:1 and Luke 10:18). Notice the threefold effect of this defeat of Satan and his host.

    First, because of this defeat the salvation wrought by God in Christ becomes manifest; God’s power is vindicated; His royal rule in the hearts of His people established; His authority revealed (verse 10). As a result, there is a mighty acclaim in heaven.

    Secondly, because of this defeat God’s people, who bear witness concerning their faith—in the blood of the Lamb—and prove its genuine character by perseverance even to death, triumph (verse 11). Accordingly, let the heavens and those who live there rejoice.

    Thirdly, because of this defeat, Satan is filled with wrath. He knows that his time is short: this, his second defeat, forebodes that other, final discomfiture at the close of history (verse 12). Consequently, let heaven ring with jubilation. "

    - excerpt from William Hendriksen's commentary on the book of Revelation, More Than Conquerors
     
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    Here, because man is here, and satan hates man, and Earth was once satan’s domain.
     
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    CORRECT …. It was in Genesis chapter 3 that Adam surrendered his crown to Satan; Satan gladly assumed dominion over the Earth in Genesis chapter 3. Romans 5:12 continues, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned….” Satan’s policy of evil succeeded in involving Earth: Adam willfully gave up his divinely-ordained earthly dominion. So, God gave man the dominion over the Earth; when man willfully sided with Satan, man became controlled by Satan and sin, and through fallen man, Satan gained power over the Earth. Consequently, Satan dominates the world’s political, religious, social, economic, and educational systems. Hence, the Bible talks about “this present evil world” (Galatians 1:4). Satan is called “the god [or ruler] of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4). The Bible says in 1 John 5:19, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” Ephesians 2:2 speaks of the evil “course of this world.”
     
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