Hell

AITB asks...

Because …our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Psalm 115:3

HankD

[ May 20, 2002, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

AITB says...

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

HankD

 

Hello AItb,
So Your Asking The Question Why Is God A Hypocrite For Saying To His Children, "Love You Enemies". While You Learn Of His Plans To Torture and Torment His Enemies For Eternity.

Maybe The Question For Each Individual should be "Who Is God?" and What Are The Operating Characteristics Of His Spirit ?" and "What Is His Plan Of Salvation ?".

From That Point You Might Find different or alternative Answers to the original question of thinking God Is Hypocritical....

 

This is similar to the same question I asked in the other thread. Does a command in the Bible constitue a sin if it is not followed. Then if it is violated and we sin is it a bad thing; since we are really forgiven anyway. I can see where arguments could be made for both sides. But I don't think that these commands are meant to be followed in all cases and that it is just a model to try to follow and that we may violate them (sin if that is the case) as we deem prudent.

If a person breaks into my house, I will not be kind, loving, or forgiving. I will be killing him with a gun designed by God's perfect hand. I further think that God may or may not hold it against that person (he being saved or unsaved). In the final Judgment, he will be looking at what people did in some summary or other criteria of their life as some point of judgement reasoning.

[ May 21, 2002, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: post-it ]

 

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It is not so much God sending a person to Hell, as it is a person choosing Hell for Himself. If you reject Christ you choose Hell. That is the choice in life that you make. According to Titus 2:11, I believe that God gives every person the chance to trust Him.

No matter what happens to me, Jesus taught that I can always be kind, loving, and forgiving. This was demonstrated in the life of Paul when he was thrown in prison unjustly in Acts 16. He and Silas sang praises to the Lord at midnight. Instead of having hateful revenge for the jailor they were able to lead him to Christ. When the prison doors were miraculously opened, what kind of rebellious damage could they have done by urging all the prisoners to escape? In spite of being treated harshly and unjustly they maintained an attitude of kindness and love.

"If a person breaks into my house...I will be killing him." I don't own a gun, and don't intend to buy one. I've been in worse situations than in Canada or the U.S. I trust God for my protection, and if someone breaks into my house, God will give me grace to know what to do at that time. My life is in his hands. As long as I am in the center of God's will my life is immortal until God wants to take me home. In Rev.1:18, Jesus says, "I have the keys of hell and death." He will not allow me to die until it is my time. I trust Him to protect me and my family.
When confronted by an enemy, is it possible to treat him with kindness, love, and forgiveness. Yes, and that is what Christ taught us to do. If we fail, and we all do, there is still forgiveness (1John 1:9). If God in His grace was able to reach down and forgive such a person as I, then should not I be able to forgive others also?
DHK

 

The entire content of my response in the last post is summed up again here in a shorter version.

It doesn't prohibit anyone from being unkind. These are just models to attain toward.
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...but God can send those same people to Hell to be eternally tortured?[/quote]Final judgement may not send these people to the lake of fire. Otherwise, why judge sinners and the unbelievers at the white throne judgement according to what they have done in this life?
On another note, these same people may include some believers that get to skate.

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Skate??? God is going to freeze over the lake of fire for them?

Rev 15:2 Ever hear of the Sea of GLASS mingled with fire?

I couldn't resist, but I can see in this what Post it is saying

In Him Kim

 

AITB

Not a problem Bring your skates, knowing God (through faith) is able to make you stand, skate, compete, and overcome through victory in Christ.

In Him Kim

 

Hello AITB,
Your Questions Regarding The Beliefs Of Eternal Torment Is One In Which Every Baptist Faces..the First Sign Of Concern Is The Idea Of Patiality Towards Our Viewpoints That We See or Imagine To Exist In Our Creator. After Following That Creator Whom We Believe To Have Our Best Interest In Mind.
When We Were Initially Drawn To Our Saviour, It Was Through The Loving Message Of The Father. we Were Inticed into Believing That God Loves His Creation Unconditionally. That Through No Actions Of Ourselves We Couldnt Do Anything To Deserve His Love or Saving Activites towards Us. As If We Were A Child, We Were Only To Snuggle Into The Loving Arms Of Our God and Not Be Concerned With Anything Beyond Observing and interacting with Such A God in Our Day To Day Lives. Believing That All Of His Creation Is Infinitly Special To Him. That In Time, Even If It Took Eternity That We Would Come To Understand That Love and that special Bond Which To Us Seemed Infinite. Beyond Our Very Imaginations.
Isnt It Written In Our Bible That This Special Bond Can Be Observed With A Simple Affirmation Of Just hearing "Daddy" in The Believer?.(Rom 8:15) we Continue To See That Not Only Does This God Loves Us As Individuals But That He Loves His Entire Creation. That His Desire Is To Have That Selfsame Relationship With Each and Every Individual That He Has Created.
Isnt It Written In Revelation 4 :11
Thou Art Worthy, O Lord To Receive Glory and Honor and Power:
For Thou Hast Created ALL THINGS , And For THY PLEASURE
they are and were created.

Or Elsewhere:
Col 1:16 For By Him were All Things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in the Earth, Visible and invisible, whether they be Thrones, or Dominions, or Principalities, or Powers: ALL THINGS were created by Him AND FOR HIM.
And More.... That The Nature Of God Is Expressed In Love
1 John 4:8 God is Love....
Rom 13:10 Love Worketh No Ill,...Fulfillment of The Law
John 3:16 God Love The World (of Created Beings)
Matt 4:44 Loves His Enemies (also Luk 6:35)

We Further Find That He Is Of One Mind
Job 23:13 But He Is in One Mind, and Who can turn Him? and What His Soul Desireth, even that he Doeth.

And Finally His Will:
1 Tim 2:4 Who will Have All Men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth
John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My Meat is to do the Will of Him That Sent Me, and To Finish His Work
Eph 1:5 Having Predestinated Us Unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, According to the Good Pleasure of His Will

To Underestimate The Love And Power Of The Creator To Fail In Fulfilling His Will Is To Add Partiality To His Pleasure and Purpose.

We Start To Grow When We Learn That Further Choices Must Occur. That our Faith About Our God Must Be Proven To Become Personal. the Very Love Given freely Must Be Proven To Be Real To Us. That Assurance Through Experience.Our God Not Only Wanted Child Like Creatures But Also Mature in Understanding and experience.
Now Is The Time Which Mature Choices Must Be Made. Do We Have A God Of Love or A God Who Will Punish and Torment Billions Of His Creation For Eternity. Do We Have A God Who Cares For and desires a Relationship with Each Of His Creatures, or A Rigid Ogre Of A Creator Bent On Allowing His Children to Be Reminded of Guilt Day after Day Forever.

One Last Thought For The Moment...Our Beliefs Are An Actual Representation of Ourselves.
Who Among Us Actually Wants our Child or Neighbor Or Fellowman To Suffer For Eternity In Infinite Degrees Of Pain and Torment?

 

I'm wavering on the lake of fire and what it is, still dealing with other verses.

God says He would be hells destruction, and in Revelation says Hells destruction is the lake of fire. I also know God Himself is a CONSUMING FIRE Himself. Theres many verses on this to consider none of which I have posted but its making me think alot concerning these things. Most consider this heretical but I don't think looking into Gods word concerning these things is wrong especially since in Christ I have been given the Spirit of Truth and my heart cannot seem to accept these things. Not that I cannot accept the bible but the "interpretation" so I'm just looking more closely concerning these things.

Did you ever notice the fire of God be it in a bush or burning a man or melting, or being thrown in a furnance never hurt a thing? Ever wonder why one is saved yet by fire? Ever wonder why the bush is not burnt or men were not aware a fire was present was God said it was? I don't have time to write the verses out right now but I've posted these things many times before.

Eternal... is that an attribute describing God as in divine, holy, eternal? Or is it speaking of a number of days? There is too much to look into when it comes to every perfect word, but I'm giving it a whirl

In Him Kim