Homeland Security Hassles Owner of Truck with Bumperstickers

Would you like for Cisco and I to share some of our vast knowledge of the globalist's schemes and inject more of our expansive commentary in this thread Ken?

Or would you prefer to deal exclusively with those firmly ensconced in the false left right paradigm?

The bread is fresh and the games exciting. The truth is scary and hard to swallow. Choice is your's.

 

Thanks Ken. In the interest of time, space and the bread getting cold I'll spare the sermon and be concise. This is another instance of conditioning the public through intimidation using the color of law and the appearance of authority. Old hat.

This is happening all over. Training us to be subservient to the king and kneeling before our our federal gods. Imho.

Carry on soldier.

[ February 26, 2006, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

You have to be careful dealing with them, because if you don't dot every "i" and cross every "t", they can find a way to get you.

I have a friend who used to run this odd little store in Mesquite, mostly old scientific instruments, quack medical devices, etc.

Among his wares, on the shelf behind the counter, was a book "The Anarchist's Cookbook." This is one you don't want your kids to see, because it has a jillion ways to build bombs and other nasty things.

One day, two guys come in the door, flash an id too fast for him to read it, and announce that they are from the government, and they are here to get the book.

He's a bit feisty, so he tells them they can't take it. They threaten various bad things (this is before 9/11) He tells them that they are being recorded by his security camera, and he knows they are bluffing and to get out.

Then they say they wish he would give it to them. He walks them out of his store.

Never sees them again. I wonder what would have happened after 9/11.

 

Too bad Ol' Barny has passed away, he would have handled this situation in a more professional way than those two morons from Homeland Security.

 

Barney's gone, but not forgotten. His portrait has a prominent place in the lobby of the Department, and their training manual is largely made up of old "Andy Griffith Show" scripts.

 

Ken,

Thanks for posting this. I strongly support the intent of the DHS, which is to protect us from terrorists. I disagree with many here, including yourself, on the legitimate exent of their duties but harassing citizens for the bumper stickers on their cars is just plain wrong. It's outrageous.

 

Better get used to it FTR there's alot more reports of this kind of behaviour where that came from and I'm not just talking about whats been reported on this leftist website either.

 

Go back to the original story and look at the pictures. They were not bumper stickers, they were signs.

It's been a while since I was in the military, but if my memory is close to right, we were not allowed to place bumper stickers on our vehicles that were political in nature. The sign on the door of his truck says, "Death in Iraq is not a career opportunity for young Americans" That is a blatant political statement and probably is prohibited from being posted on federal property.

It's not a free speach issue. He's free to express his views as much as anyone else. Just not in that manner at that location.

I read the transcript of his supposed tape recording of the conversation with the DHS agent. I was in military police for almost 12 years and the DHS guy was way more patient with him than I would have been.

 

But is it in the scope of DHS to enforce domestic policy, ie, removing political statements from federal property.

If they really did this, then the DHS is no better than J Edgar's FBI at the height of it infamy.

 

The Patriot Act(s) rolled back many of the laws that supposedly put J Edgar's cointelpro out of action. Now it's coming back with a vengence. They gave an old tyranny a new paint job, facelift, funding and powers is all.

 

But is it in the scope of DHS to enforce domestic policy, ie, removing political statements from federal property.

If they really did this, then the DHS is no better than J Edgar's FBI at the height of it infamy. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, not necessarily. I'm not sure what all the responsibilities fall to DHS. If they are tasked with law enforcement responsibilities on federal properties, then they were doing their job. When we think of DHS, we think of stopping terrorist, sniffing out bombs, etc.. but the more mundane aspects of law enforcement are what you spend most of your time on. And that would enclude "harrassing" healthy people who park in handicap places, smokers who throw their cig butts down at the front door, and yes, even those radical nuts who post political signs on federal property. And like I said before, if I was the DHS guy, I would have only asked once.

 

I work for the federal government. Each department has it's own IG office to investigate infractions carried out by federal employees. Law enforcement duties fall on the FBI, and in certain circumstances, the US Marshall Service or the department's own police force.

 

guitarpreacher,

Show us the law that makes it illegal for "radical nuts" from having signs on their vehicles on federal property. Either there is a law or there isn't. If there is no law then they were overstepping their authority and using intimidation under the color of law and the appearance of authority, if there is a law then it should be applied equally on "radical nuts" that do not support the war as well as those who have signs on their vehicles supporting it. Like those millions of Chinese made yellow ribbons I see everywhere on federal as well as state county and private property.

Maybe DHS should be issued thumbs screws to get their point across or have the power to secretly arrest and rendition people that do not agree with the war off to countries that allow their use where they can be "dealt with" more effetively eh?

 

Signs afixed to his personal truck, not fixed on federal property.

Rules are vastly different for military and civilian personnel. For instance, military personnel can be subject to grueling physical punishments for minor infractions and can be incarcerated for walking off the job - not so civilians.

That's exactly what it is.

Except that other signs on other trucks and cars were permitted by this officer.

The rule book seems to say otherwise.

I assume that you had actual authority over those with whom you had so little patience. I would be surprised if you had less patience than the DHS guy when you dealt with those who outranked you.

I think that this case was simply one bullying parkinglot cop overstepping his mandate. I haven't seen evidence either way that this particular guy was given leave or ordered to do what he did. The only hestation I have in this opinion is how often lately private people have been charged with trespassing simply because of the political statement on their t-shirts...this shutting down opposing opinion might be more pervasive than I want to believe.

 

Just a though: If this person's truck had bumper stickers with verses from the Koran, etc, on it, and had gotten stopped, would we apply the same standard here? I'm not taking a side either way here, just pondering for the moment.

 

In Arabic or English?

I believe that most in authority are even more cautious when dealing with religious speech and less likely to prohibit it.

 

Back in the 90's when I lived in DC, I was refused entry into the White House tour because I had on a shirt with a picture of Reagan that said, "Remember when America had a real president?"

Free speech was squelched long before 9/11.

 

The White House visit was likely not an issue of free speech. It was an issue of dress code. A strict dress code is enforced, and chewing gum is not permitted. No photographs, still or video, may be taken while inside. No backpacks, etc.