Homosexuals are born gay

I knew that topic would get some people's attention. But listen to where I am coming from. Since all people are born of a sinful nature, we are all inclined to sin. That sin could be lying, stealing, lust, homosexuallity, ect. If a homosexual tells you "I was born this way", why argue with them? It doesn't go against the Bible to agree with them on that point. Just because you are inclined or tempted to sin doesn't make it right. Jesus was tempted, but didn't sin. God won't give us more than we can handle. He wouldn't allow people to deal with homosexuallity if they couldn't handle it. They can still say, even if they are tempted to live such a lifestyle, no. At least with God's help. So don't argue with someone on homosexuallity where you can't even get to the gospel. Just show them that we all are sinners in need of a savior and that when God saves us, he will give us a new heart with new desires. We can trust God because he cannot lie. That may mean God either
1.) takes away the homosexual temptation completely or
2.) gives you the desire to do what God wants and resist homosexual temptations.
My point is that we are to love our neighbors, even if their particular sin problem is different from ours and rather than debate that intellectually, speak to their conscience. They know what is right even if they don't practice it.

 

rbell, I agree with you. What I meant is that it isn't worth debating intellectually when there is still a way I believe you can look at it Biblically. While I don't like to agree with gay people that say "I was born this way" for the reasons you gave, I also want to see if there is a biblical way to look at it, not debate, and get to the gospel.

 

SuperBaptist, where do you see that at all in rbells reply. I certainly don't.

 

Brother James, I am not saying that. We have to protect those that cannot protect themselves. Some people also have mental problems that cloud the whole issue. You are smart enough to know the difference. The attraction to children is a smokescreen. I am simply saying that we must realize that we all are sinners. We were all born sinners. We all need a savior. God can give us new desires. That was my message. It was a simple one. Please don't confuse it.

 

Petrel, you are so correct. At no point, at no time, under any circumstance do I say homosexuallity is ok. It is wrong, wrong, wrong. But so is lying, adultry/lust, hate/murder, stealing, ect. We need to realize that homosexuallity isn't this branch of sin that Christians are to avoid at such an extent that they won't witness to them. There are two extremes: accepting homosexuallity - wrong, and condemning homosexuals (God hates fags) - wrong. How is that "loving your neighbor as yourself." You wouldn't want someone telling you God hates heterosexualls or something similar. That's just rude. We need to be a loving witness to them just like everyone else. And if we can biblically avoid arguing whether they were "born that way", then we have done a lot of good. Because it matters how they end up, not how they started. It is biblcal to say they were born gay because we were born into sin depravity. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it easier to avoid arguments over whether it started at age 13 or 30.

 

standingfirminchrist, I am not talking about saying he is born gay, I am saying there isn't a reason to debate that point specifically. But even if you say what I believe, that does not excuse it. Read what I wrote: "At no point, at no time, under any circumstance do I say homosexuallity is ok. It is wrong, wrong, wrong."
It is not God's will that anyone live under sin. I am just saying let's not sanctify other sins by putting so much specific attention on that sin. If you get in a yelling argument, you won't even get to the saving gospel. You can say, "You may have been born with temptation to live a gay lifestyle just like at times I am tempted to lie, but that doesn't make it right. Because I feel it is right doesn't make it right. There is a way that seems right to man, but in the end it leads to destruction. Let's not argue over whether or not you actually were born gay or not because in the end it won't matter to God. You are not an animal that cannot control themselves. You and I have both chosen to give into the temptation to sin. God loves you and I so much though that he doesn't want us to suffer the consequenses of those actions. Do you know what he did so you and I don't have to go to hell...?" That is the attitude to have.