House Republicans Unveil Bill To Repeal Obamacare

[Crabtownboy]

Trump Care is going to cost you more and give tax breaks to the rich. And you complained about the cost of Obama Care premiums. Go ahead, enjoy paying more for less.
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From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._58bdf877e4b09ab537d63e57?fdstwkxjjum1da38fr&

The plan endorsed by House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), by contrast, offers less financial assistance to low-income people, likely resulting in millions of Americans losing the health coverage they have today, and provides tax credits to people with higher incomes. The bill scraps key consumer protections.

And, crucially, the legislation is a vehicle for massive tax cuts for rich people and corporations, paid for by slashing assistance to poor and middle-class people.

In sum, the GOP health care legislation falls far short of President Donald Trump’s promises of “insurance for everybody.” Just what the effects of this bill would be on the federal budget and the number of Americans with health coverage isn’t yet known, because House Republican leaders are poised to move the measure forward before the scorekeepers at the Congressional Budget Office have made an assessment. And the bill doesn’t say how it would pay for its spending after scrapping the taxes that financed the Affordable Care Act.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._58bdf877e4b09ab537d63e57?fdstwkxjjum1da38fr&

 

[JonC]

Trump Care is going to cost you more and give tax breaks to the rich. And you complained about the cost of Obama Care premiums. Go ahead, enjoy paying more for less.
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From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._58bdf877e4b09ab537d63e57?fdstwkxjjum1da38fr&

The plan endorsed by House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), by contrast, offers less financial assistance to low-income people, likely resulting in millions of Americans losing the health coverage they have today, and provides tax credits to people with higher incomes. The bill scraps key consumer protections.

And, crucially, the legislation is a vehicle for massive tax cuts for rich people and corporations, paid for by slashing assistance to poor and middle-class people.

In sum, the GOP health care legislation falls far short of President Donald Trump’s promises of “insurance for everybody.” Just what the effects of this bill would be on the federal budget and the number of Americans with health coverage isn’t yet known, because House Republican leaders are poised to move the measure forward before the scorekeepers at the Congressional Budget Office have made an assessment. And the bill doesn’t say how it would pay for its spending after scrapping the taxes that financed the Affordable Care Act.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._58bdf877e4b09ab537d63e57?fdstwkxjjum1da38fr&

Personally, I don't care what breaks the rich get as long as Obama care is trashed. The premiums under the "Affordable Care Act" have become unrealistic (some of my coworkers are paying 1/2 of their take home pay in premiums where before Obama graced us with this "affordable" care they were paying $300 a month - and for a better plan). My wife's coworker had to quit her full time job and go part-time to get insurance for her family (she's a single mom) because her health care was 90% of her salary. She continued to work the same position but volunteered half of the time (unpaid) so that she could both feed her children and have health care.

Give the rich a tax break, free health care, free fuel for their boats and jets.....I don't care any more as long as we give the working class the fighting chance Obama stripped from their hands.

Back then we needed change - I agree. The lesson Obama taught us was to be very careful what we ask for because we just might get it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Personally, I don't care what breaks the rich get as long as Obama care is trashed. The premiums under the "Affordable Care Act" have become unrealistic (some of my coworkers are paying 1/2 of their take home pay in premiums where before Obama graced us with this "affordable" care they were paying $300 a month - and for a better plan). My wife's coworker had to quit her full time job and go part-time to get insurance for her family (she's a single mom) because her health care was 90% of her salary. She continued to work the same position but volunteered half of the time (unpaid) so that she could both feed her children and have health care.

Give the rich a tax break, free health care, free fuel for their boats and jets.....I don't care any more as long as we give the working class the fighting chance Obama stripped from their hands.

Back then we needed change - I agree. The lesson Obama taught us was to be very careful what we ask for because we just might get it.

So you are all right with premiums under Trump Care costing you more than under Obama Care?

 

[JonC]

So you are all right with premiums under Trump Care costing you more than under Obama Care?

You are not looking at the correct costs.

Obama had created a situation where people were having to decide between feeding their children and paying health premiums, but also the hopeless situation of rising penalties for not being insured. Increasing the premiums have no bearing on the situation. Removing the penalty for not having health care does.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You are not looking at the correct costs.

Obama had created a situation where people were having to decide between feeding their children and paying health premiums, but also the hopeless situation of rising penalties for not being insured. Increasing the premiums have no bearing on the situation. Removing the penalty for not having health care does.

Seems you are not reading what is in the Trump Care bill and the costs that will go up. Also, you will be paying more and getting less. So, if you do not mind paying more for less simply because you do not like Obama then enjoy your thinner wallet.

Additionally Trump is breaking his promise that all Americans will be covered. Fewer will be covered.

 

[JonC]

Seems you are not reading what is in the Trump Care bill and the costs that will go up. Also, you will be paying more and getting less. So, if you do not mind paying more for less simply because you do not like Obama then enjoy your thinner wallet.

Additionally Trump is breaking his promise that all Americans will be covered. Fewer will be covered.

Again, when things get to a certain point it really does not matter. My point is that even if President Trump fails then we would be no worse than under President Obama. Those who could not afford Obama will better off even with increased health care (which does not matter) as they will not be penalized for what they cannot afford.

 

[just-want-peace]

So you are all right with premiums under Trump Care costing you more than under Obama Care?

A more precise illustration of myopic vision could not be stated! This is just assuming that your statement is true ---- a BIG assumption, yes???

 

[Crabtownboy]

A more precise illustration of myopic vision could not be stated! This is just assuming that your statement is true ---- a BIG assumption, yes???

No! Read what is being proposed. Also the older you are the more it will cost. The poorer you are the more likely you will end up with no health insurance.

 

[InTheLight]

No! Read what is being proposed. Also the older you are the more it will cost.

That's the way it's always been. Isn't that an equitable way? The older you get the more you need health care.

The poorer you are the more likely you will end up with no health insurance.

Not necessarily. It looks like moderate Republicans are going to fight against changes to Medicaid provisions in the bill.

 

[Deacon]

I read through it and listed what it offered (in no particular order) and a bit of what it is set up to do.

• Mandatory health care ended, no fine for being uninsured
• Mandatory abortion coverage ended and federal funding of Planned Parenthood will stop (for one year).
• End subsidies for out-of-pocket health costs to lower income people
• Replaces current healthcare tax credits with a new system of refundable tax credit tied to age and income.
• Ends taxes on the high-end healthcare plans with the provision that value of the tax credits is eventually phase out at high income levels
• Imposes a financial penalty for those who drop their coverage (a 30-percent surcharge on their plan's premium during the year in order to resume coverage).
• Eliminates the rule that requires employers with 50 or more full-time workers to offer health coverage or pay a penalty
• Insurers are allowed to charge older people premiums up to five times the rate charged younger people (currently 3x)
• Doubles the current allowable contribution levels for Health Savings Accounts, $6,550 for an individual, $13,100 for a family plan
• Insurers would still be required to include 10 essential health benefits in their plans.
• States are given set amout to fund high-risk insurance pools or additional subsidies for their residents.

Implications:

• Moderates the costs of healthcare for the poor and middle class by ending the mandatory provision and by tying it to age and income.
• A general shift away from strict federal oversight to state oversight of Medicare costs, addresses some of the varying regional concerns.
• Encourages competition among healthcare providers.
• The major concern for many Americans is the potential loss of healthcare coverage. But what is really lost? - Many of us, the poor included, are paying big money (subsidized for the poor), for a plan that covers only very basic needs and with a high cost deductable that limits their access to healthcare.

Rob

 

[InTheLight]

There are some good things in this bill. However, I don't see anything in this bill that will lead to lower monthly premiums, or even a slow down of the monthly increases. This bill tinkers with ObamaCare but it certainly is not a repeal and replace.

 

[Deacon]

Hence the complaint, ObamaCare lite.

There's a reason why Uncle Joe called the plan "a big .... deal!"

Once it was enacted there really was no going back... it's deeply embedded into into individual and corporate tax systems.

Rob

 

[Yeshua1]

Hence the complaint, ObamaCare lite.

There's a reason why Uncle Joe called the plan "a big .... deal!"

Once it was enacted there really was no going back... it's deeply embedded into into individual and corporate tax systems.

Rob

All they can do is to modify and fix it...

 

[Deacon]

You can't fix a ponzi scheme.

Rob

 

[Yeshua1]

You can't fix a ponzi scheme.

Rob

Its almost like the former President know that it would explode on the next Prez watch!

 

[Deacon]

Its almost like the former President know that it would explode on the next Prez watch!

I'd bet that 0bama was very surprized when he won his second term - the program was set up to fall apart in six years.

The press largely protected him from the impilcations of a failed program - costs are exploding.

Rob

 

[Yeshua1]

I'd bet that 0bama was very surprized when he won his second term - the program was set up to fall apart in six years.

The press largely protected him from the impilcations of a failed program - costs are exploding.

Rob

Replacement plan must be OK, as both sides hate it!

 

[Happy]

(1 Corinthians 12:14)
[14] For the body is not one member, but many.

Body, Soul & Spirit care and feeding is Gods business not the Governments job.

A Government of a truly free nation has no authority to force anyone to purchase anything.

 

[carpro]

This is hardly the finished product. This time it will be an open legislative process with amendments entertained and vigorous debate, unlike obamacare. Many compromises will be made before the product is finished.

Democrats have vowed to oppose any and every change. If they are shut out of the legislative process, it will be their own doing.

Republicans were shut out of the obamacare process because democrats refused to listen to them at all. If they had, obamacare might not be the total failure it is.

Sit down and shut up, they were were told. We won. You have no say.