How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream?

[Steven Yeadon]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

This leads to a few questions, how do we help the working poor, orphan, and disabled (those who can but refuse to work don't count) have the American dream? How do we make schooling effective for everyone so there is more equal opportunity in our "work hard to succeed" society?

We have talked about a theology of racism, so I want to exclude that. This is a political thread.

 

[canadyjd]

Who is “we”? The local, state, federal government? The citizens of those governments?

It might be enough to make sure our own houses are in order. Once that’s done, we work on the churches?

That should keep us busy until Christ returns.

Peace to you

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Who is “we”? The local, state, federal government? The citizens of those governments?

It might be enough to make sure our own houses are in order. Once that’s done, we work on the churches?

That should keep us busy until Christ returns.

Peace to you

Government at all levels. So, what should change at federal, state, or local level. Again this is a political set of questions, so I'm talking about the realm of government.

Maybe I'm unique, I was a political science major, so I see the government as associated with myself.

That said, it seems the government has a role to play in making the American Dream open to everyone. I mean we are citizens and voters, so these issues do fall into our court.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

It might be enough to make sure our own houses are in order. Once that’s done, we work on the churches?

I agree we should get our own houses in order, but part of that according to scripture, is securing the well being of others. At least our Brethren should have their well being secured. There is Matthew 25 with the Judgment of the Sheep and Goats.

 

[canadyjd]

Government at all levels. So, what should change at federal, state, or local level. Again this is a political set of questions, so I'm talking about the realm of government.

Maybe I'm unique, I was a political science major, so I see the government as associated with myself.

That said, it seems the government has a role to play in making the American Dream open to everyone. I mean we are citizens and voters, so these issues do fall into our court.

As a general rule, the more politicians claim they are passing laws to make the American Dream available for everyone, you can be certain they are not.

Personally, I believe decisions made at the local level are best. Politicians are held directly accountable by those who are engaged. No excuses.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

This leads to a few questions, how do we help the working poor, orphan, and disabled (those who can but refuse to work don't count) have the American dream? How do we make schooling effective for everyone so there is more equal opportunity in our "work hard to succeed" society?

We have talked about a theology of racism, so I want to exclude that. This is a political thread.

Steve, I grew up poor in a largely Working Class Community and mostly Roman Catholic. I clearly remember the Parish Priest walking the streets and knocking on doors. My mom was a young widow with a Cerebral Palsy Daughter and two young boys 12 & 8. Imagine how much she felt the power of the church when the pastor walked in the door and had a cup of tea with her! It was a great relief knowing that that Christian community had her back. And they did! Guess I’m advising that some action be accomplished.

 

[Adonia]

Everyone already has the opportunity to live the American dream. It's called get up and go to work - get a job so you can provide for yourself and your family. Too many people have come here with but a few dollars in the pocket and have had successful lives. It's not my job or the governments job to see that people make it, it is up to the individual. The only thing the government needs to do is to provide a level playing field and maintain law and order so the people themselves can go out and prosper.

 

[Centrist]

Everyone already has the opportunity to live the American dream. It's called get up and go to work - get a job so you can provide for yourself and your family.

Yes, you are right. Kinda. There is still an awful lot of bigotry in this world, even in America, that interferes with this.

Too many people have come here with but a few dollars in the pocket and have had successful lives.

"Too many people"? You mean there should be a limit on how many people are successful? I'm inclined to think that's not what you mean.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think what you meant to say is "Too many people have come here with but a few dollars in the pocket and have had successful lives to justify someone coming here expecting handouts." Sadly you'll always have those, too.

 

[Adonia]

Yes, you are right. Kinda. There is still an awful lot of bigotry in this world, even in America, that interferes with this.

Okay, I am not going to assume anything here so I will ask you a pointed question. \Do you mean the white man is keeping the black man from succeeding in some way?

"Too many people"? You mean there should be a limit on how many people are successful? I'm inclined to think that's not what you mean.

And you would be correct. I could have said "So many people....." I never meant to address "handouts" however.

 

[Sai]

Take away the money from the Department of Education and give it to black families with preconditions.

Average cost per student is $12,000.

Average income for black man in Louisiana $38,000

If he is married and working full time then his wife can use the money to homeschool. If they have 4 children that’s $48,000 additional income. The true cost to educate per child is much lower than what the states are already blowing. I imagine 2-3k per year max per student.

The leftover money goes to normal cost of living.

Car expenses
Rent
Entertainment

Hardly an idea coming from a racist

 

[Sai]

Idea Number 2
Instead of unemployment insurance, offer re employment insurance. Pay lower income business owners the money to employ and train people for their trade during a probationary period. After that, a full time position can be offered. This saves the not so prosperous entrepreneurs the high cost of training.

 

[Centrist]

Okay, I am not going to assume anything here so I will ask you a pointed question. \Do you mean the white man is keeping the black man from succeeding in some way?

No. And THAT is by far the biggest problem yet. Is there racism present? Yes. But, white man is not forcing black man from succeeding in life. Case in point, Neil deGrasse Tyson. In fact he is a perfect example of my opinion on white supremacism. No, the idea, the image, of white man oppressing them is what oppresses them. I truly get no greater enjoyment than watching people of color graduate with a degree. Why? Because I remember reading of the oppression they lived through. I know what I have seen before. Now they have a far greater chance at success than in any time in history.

And you would be correct. I could have said "So many people....." I never meant to address "handouts" however.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

This leads to a few questions, how do we help the working poor, orphan, and disabled (those who can but refuse to work don't count) have the American dream? How do we make schooling effective for everyone so there is more equal opportunity in our "work hard to succeed" society?

We have talked about a theology of racism, so I want to exclude that. This is a political thread.

You may have a point, but how terrible is terrible? Grass huts with dirt floors? Wooden sheds with tin roofs? And what is the real driving force behind it? For example, if you have unchecked crime and vandalism and a community that doesn't care enough to do anything about it, then who do you expect to make that school better? I hope you're not expecting government entities to overcome that, because they will not be able to no matter how much money they throw at it.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

…
However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.
…

I had not realized affirmative action was abolished. Are you sure about this? Or did you mean something else?

 

[kyredneck]

How Do We Make Sure Everyone Has the Opportunity to Live the American Dream? I

Trump 2020, Republican Senate 2020, Republican House 2020.

The choice is simple, not complicated at all; freedom or socialism.

 

[Revmitchell]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American

Yes it is

 

[MartyF]

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Schools in the U.S. are run locally. School board members are elected by the community. In some cases, teachers are literally political appointments made by the school board. If the schools in your area sucks, it is your fault and the fault of the community.

It is not the nation’s fault and it will not be solved at the national level.

“School choice” is not a solution, it’s a slogan. It is also a form of corporate welfare.

 

[Revmitchell]

“School choice” is not a solution, it’s a slogan. It is also a form of corporate welfare.

One of the dumber things posted on this board. Its premise is flawed and its conclusion irrational.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, I want to explain a lack of opportunity to acquire the American Dream in my own city.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

This leads to a few questions, how do we help the working poor, orphan, and disabled (those who can but refuse to work don't count) have the American dream? How do we make schooling effective for everyone so there is more equal opportunity in our "work hard to succeed" society?

We have talked about a theology of racism, so I want to exclude that. This is a political thread.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Thank you for a deep response. Poverty is something we will not eliminate with government. It is something Jesus Christ eliminates one day for us, instead with His government. I see that there is little to be done on our end as believers except continue to be charitable. The world certainly doesn't care about all the afflicted. Some groups get press when riots happen. How about the mentally ill though? They lack riots and see what it gets them. Of course, rioting is evil and sin. I mean this as an illustration of what the world cares about. Thank you.