How do you know its Mary?

I know there is a Roman Catholic legend that Lucas the Evangelist painted a portrait of her.
http://www.abcgallery.com/W/weyden/weyden7.html

 

Of course the corollory is, if one sees an image of Jesus, even Jesus on the cross, how does one know it's Jesus? It could be any criminal being crucified (they did that a lot, you know).

If I showed 1000 Christians e.g. this image

http://www.ldskorea.net/chol2/Jesus-Children-057.jpg

would even a single one of them say "How do we know that looks like Jesus? What did Jesus look like?"

 

If I were among that 1,000 then, yes, at least one would. Looking at that picture I understand that the artist is portraying Jesus, but it doesn't look like Jesus to me. It looks like a picture of a white guy acting the part of Jesus in a play.

 

"Do the dates line up?"
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Ofcourse not. It's a legend.

 

Christians should know exactly what Jesus looks like without a picture. Read the Bible.

Now as for Mary the mother of Jesus...???

 

Music4Him said:

Heres my question after seeing the all the people flocking to see "Mary(?) under the Chicago bridge it makes me think..... how do they accually know if the water stain looks like Mary? Was there ever a authinic and legible painting of her back in her time? Just wondering how when people look at a picture and say, "oh thats a picture of Mary and Jesus when he was a baby". How do they know for sure?
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Well, not to worry, she's not under the bridge anymore!!

Some guy went there during the nite and took shoe polish and wrote "BIG LIE" across it and then the highway dept. went in and painted over "her".

So, ALL GONE!!

Tam

 

I just saw the news again and the man has been arrested!!

Tam

 

Michael52 has the best point! Our desire to for a grapical depliction of Jesus or Mary shows are weak we are in the Faith.

 

I have it on good authority that that stain is actually Mickey Mantle.

 

You know...I am Baptist myself, but that is so wrong of this person to go to a public place, that people have been admiring and respecting and deface something he knows in his heart people are enjoying. I know, I know, he did it in the name of God and truth. How many people over the centuries have been killed in the name of God? The fact is, he destroyed something others were wanting to see.

I am so GLAD they arrested this guy. He really deserved it.

And if you don't thing so, then how many of you would think it ok for Muslims to come into your Church lots, and deface your buildings and worship areas, knowing it is causing you guys to go down the wrong path? They of course would do it in the name of God, to help you guys.

 

Music4Him,

Always a mistake to justify divisive acts of destruction based on moral imperitive. The guy lives in a free society, and he broke the laws defacing a known public inteterest in a landmark, no matter how it was created or where it was.

You said

I am not saying they could have been better at all. I am saying his tactics were flat out wrong, evil, and sinful. Could have would have, does not justify moral ineptitude.

I live in a metropolitan area. Everytime they decide to rebuild a major highway overpass systems here, you can measure the cost of the project almost always in lost lives due to people having accidents based on the new configuration. Hurst TX, rebuilt it's major intersetion over like 5 yrs, and there were over 30 fatalities because of that project. Would it have been ok for someone to blow the bridges with bombs knowing hey could have saved lives?

This smacks of the typical USA Evangelical midset we have against Catholics. If it was a strike against Catholics, then it is hard for us not to, in our deepest parts, smile a little for the tiny victory.

 

And so it would have been better for all those people to go ahead and worship that water stain thinking it was Mary, and a sign from God?

Maybe he could have done it a little different, but at least it got rid of the false thing! I believe what the bible says about such things:

Proverbs 27-5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

Better to tell it like it is and get it over with!!!

Selah,

Tam

 

2Ki 23:4
¶ And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
2Ki 23:5
And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
2Ki 23:6
And he brought out the grove from the house of the LORD, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.
2Ki 23:7
And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
2Ki 23:8
And he brought all the priests out of the cities of Judah, and defiled the high places where the priests had burned incense, from Geba to Beersheba, and brake down the high places of the gates that were in the entering in of the gate of Joshua the governor of the city, which were on a man's left hand at the gate of the city.
2Ki 23:9
Nevertheless the priests of the high places came not up to the altar of the LORD in Jerusalem, but they did eat of the unleavened bread among their brethren.
2Ki 23:10
And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.

2Ki 23:12
And the altars that were on the top of the upper chamber of Ahaz, which the kings of Judah had made, and the altars which Manasseh had made in the two courts of the house of the LORD, did the king beat down, and brake them down from thence, and cast the dust of them into the brook Kidron.
2Ki 23:13
And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.
2Ki 23:14
And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.