How does one lose his salvation?

Hi Cubex;

It's very simple "rejection of the Holy Spirit"
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

It's very simple "rejection of the Holy Spirit"
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Mike,

Exactly how does one reject the Holy Spirit? Some examples would probably be helpful.

whatever

 

Personally I feel that the Bible says we ALL reject the Holy Spirit. If this is the case- and Christ is able to save those who reject the Holy Spirit...how would further rejection be possible? Didn't Christ overcome that rejection?!

 

While i've seen many different scriptural
quoting "plan of salvation"; i've never seen
a "plan of unsalvation".

Here is an intersting verse. What do you
make of it?

John 3:16 (Geneva Bible)

For God so loued the worlde, that hee hath
giuen his onely begotten Sonne,
that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting
life.

What does "not perish" mean?
Does it mean not die physically?
Does it mean not die spiritually?
Does it mean not die spiritually if he gets
baptized? Does it mean not die spiritually
if he doesn't get divorced?

What is "everlasting life"?
Life till one messes up? Life until one
gets depressed and gives up? Life until
the government changes and the plan of
salvation changes?

 

A word on ownership of Salvation.

My house belongs to a mortgage holding company.
I get to park my care there.
I get to pay the utilities there.
I get to keep my furnature there.
I get to make mortgage paypents on the house.
I get to eat there.
I do not own it.

Revelation 7:10 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible ):

And they cried out in a loud voice:
Salvation belongs to our God,
who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!

This shows exact ownership of salvation.
Sure, I'll use phrase like "my salvation" as it
pertaineth to me. But i don't OWN my salvation,
my salvation is owned by God and the Lamb.
I really don't think they will be loosing it.

 

It's very simple "rejection of the Holy Spirit"
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike </font>[/QUOTE]This does not answer the original question. This only explains why a person would not be saved in the first place. The question was, how do you LOOSE salvation. In order to loose something, you have to have it to start with.

This is the reason I cannot answer because I find no way in the Bible to loose what God owns (as Ed explained very well.)

 

CubeX
I don't know your age and that really is important only in this regard. There were whole centuries of time when man "believed" the moon was made of green cheese". As we look back we, who now have the "truth", know for certain that it is not "green cheese" at all but rather a buttery creamy yellow colored cheese. So what was once believed is believed no longer but has been displaced with new belief.

One assumes your paper is going to state that man's salvation is "through faith", "faith" being "sustained or continuous belief". Just as man has the ability to change his beliefs on the basis of "new information" regarding the old belief. Man has the ability to also, because of "the cares of life", forget what he believed in the first place. God made man to be "autonomous" meaning that God is not pulling each individual man's strings.

As we progress through life we pass through our "gullible years" in which we believe whatever an older and wiser person tells us. Then through the silent years when we do not want to absorb new stuff, then through the break away years where no older person knows anything, and into our early adult years where we discover by "experience" that the old people did really know something afterall, and we once again seek them out. We turn to the writings of those who have gone before and discover that there are significant differences in how man perceives God. This causes us to question what we believe about God, and if we are following the wrong lead, we too can lose whatever faith we may have had in God.

Another way is that we are innately able to "hear" God, through His Holy Spirit. You know, that little guy with the glowing ring floating over his head, that sits on you right shoulder and gives you "sound" advice in your right ear. But, there is that other little guy with the pointy horns carrying a pitchfork that stands on your left shoulder shouting all sorts of wrong information into your left ear. Well, we men, having a disobedient nature to begin with, inherited from Adam, get really tired of the admonitions coming from the right, and we'd really rather listen to the enticements coming from the left. The more we listen to the left, the more we shut out the right, until eventually, we cannot even hear the right any more. Then we forget about God because we've turned him off!

Then, there is the scriptural reasons given in the Letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Recommend reading the admonishments in these letters. We each are found in one of those seven churchs. We each do at least one of the things spoken against in those letters. And it is by failing to heed the warnings there, that apply to us, that we too suffer the consequences spoken of for that offense.

Bottom line, if we come to faith and do not do all that is necessary to retain our faith, we risk losing faith, and with it our salvation.

There is only one way that man loses salvation, and that is by losing faith. There are many ways to lose faith!

 

Sorry, to me your question
is like "What color is salvation?"

 

While I agree with what you've said Ed, If you for some foolish reason should violate the agreement and not pay the mortgage payment, because you either did not "earn" the money for the payment or you lost the money, and kept doing that for a few months, you would lose your privilege of doing those things in that house that belongs to someone else. The money for the privilege is FAITH!

True, Salvation belongs to God, but God does not save those who lack the required faith!

 

I did not want to have to put forth my own statements directly, but this requires one. God does not save those who do not obey, not those who lack faith. God gives commands, those who do not obey are the ones lacking. Now, they may not have enough faith to encourage their obedience, but that is only a factor in the direct clause.

Please keep on subject. If you would like to independently discuss this, please start a new topic. I'd be glad to participate.
-David </font>[/QUOTE]Well CubeX what you just said is this:

For by grace ye are saved through obedience and not of yourselves it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.

What Scripture says is this:

For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH, an not of yourselves it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.

You are forcing Salvation back under the law! God Gives his Salvation under Grace!

The Topic is Salvation, I am on topic!

 

Then the answer is this:

As many ways as there are to lose faith, there are that many ways to lose salvation!

FAITH is the Key to salvation, Yes, God owns salvation, but we either have the key or we do not.

Doubt is not loss of faith, but it can lead to loss of faith.

 

Since you are writing a paper, you must be in a course that requires you to do research. You either have, or have access to a computer, you are on-line or you wouldn't be posting here, and there are a number of "on line" bibles that you can do "searches by words and phrases". Here are a couple of keywords to start with.

FAITH

All the forms of Believe.

Fall away, with its variety of words and forms.

abandon

lose

Wander away

Drift away

leave the fold

seek

SAVE, saviour, and Salvation

Book of Life,

blot

and there are many more. The problem is, if you are not familiar with the bible by having read through it a few times, the keywords may lead you to things that will not help you unless you know from your reading experience what is being said.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER rely on the meaning of any one scripture unless you are certain of its context. The context may be a few verses before and after, or it may be a chapter or two before and after the specific verse.

I'm sorry that I do not have the time to be your research assistant, I have a full time job of my own to take care of. If I didn't I'd be happy to assist you.