How Does The Illumination of HS Go With Teachers From God?

Let me take a stab. Polycarp was John's disciple. He was saved and then learned at the feet of the Apostle John.

The fact that Polycarp was saved = the fact that he had the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.

Yet.....he had to learn biblical truth from John.

But knowing the truth is different from learning the truth it seems.

 

The Holy Spirit indwells believers so they are able to be taught the Word by the author of the Word. The anointing helps us to understand the Word both as we hear it taught and as we read it ourselves.

But God also gifted people to be able to teach the Word in a more organized manner and probably with deeper understanding that a person might get on their own.

But from Hebrews 5, we also understand that because of spiritual immaturity, some who ought to be able to be teachers weren't able to and still needed teachers. So teachers are needed until an individual can dig into the Word deeply enough on their own.

But there are always people who know the Lord and His Word better than me, so I am always in need of good teaching.

 

John 16:13 states that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all the truth, so I would say that's part of what He does. But not all believers allow Him to do His work.

 

It sounds like you are saying that the gift of teaching is only for Christians deficient in maturity- that once a certain level of maturity is reached these don't need teachers. This is not what the Bible teaches.

Paul NEEDED Peter. James NEEDED John. Paul NEEDED Abraham.

Just so, you NEED Athanasias and Augustine and your pastor and other Christian ministers and theologians.

The Holy Spirit makes it so that no Christian needs to be taught things to give them assurance of their salvation. That is the context of the passage in the OP.

The Holy Spirit does not enable Christians to suddenly learn all theology in a vacuum.

We NEED each other. We are a body. Few things are more worthless than a member that does not work with and rely on the other members of the body. Even teachers need teachers.

 

The Holy Spirit confirms the word with miracles. It glorifies Jesus when a person is healed and gives the speaker integrity that cannot be had by just a sermon alone no matter how good a speech it is. The Gospel comes not in word only but in power. Things will happen. If things are not happening, it's just a clanging bell. Jesus said we would do His works. The Gospel is always preached with signs confirming. This is the command the Master gave, "Go preach the Gospel and heal the sick". Praise God!

 

I cannot imagine a more meaningless remark.

Who on EARTH has EVER said that Calvin, Hodge, Erickson or Grudem are infallible sources of truth???????

NOBODY.

But what makes these men special is their faithfulness TO the only perfectly reliable source of truth and their ability to utilize necessary tools to help them interpret it.

No one is putting an inordinate amount of confidence in men.

But what you are doing, not as bad as Winman mind you, but bad enough- what you are doing is ignoring a tool God EXPECTS you to use and rely heavily upon for most things spiritual- THE CHURCH.

 

This is horrendous.

It is this backwards thinking and terribly deficient hermenuetic that gives rise to all kinds of heresy.

 

It is the instruction of Jesus Christ to all who will deny themselves and follow Him. True believers will follow.

 

no it is not

 

you still don't get it. NNE is arguing that being historical makes something right.

No one has even hinted at such a silly notion.

GREEK MYTHOLOGY is historic!

Nobody is dumb enough in this debate to assert such a ridiculous notion.

What is being argued is that NEW doctrine ought to be submitted to the SEVEREST of scrutiny.

This idea that you can just up and preach a doctrine that the Church of Jesus Christ has NEVER IN HER HISTORY embraced at ALL- it is really EXTREMELY ARROGANT. And it is deadly ignorant.

Now there is a monstrous difference between a Christian doctrine that has evolved over time- one that has developed and is more clear today for this reason: we don't have to start from scratch every generation- we have the aid of hundreds of years of Christian scholars hammering out the details before us so that our generation is able to need only to polish it...

There is a monstrous difference between that and a doctrine that the church has NEVER even HINTED at embracing before- not in her 1800 years of existence and yet BANG! there it it!

That is Pentecostalism and mormonism and kjvonlyism and much independent fundamentalism.

That level of arrogance and ignorance and irreverence is what ought to be condemend by you- and it should not be so hard for me to get you to start doing it post haste.