How much blame for civil unrest lays on Trump's doorstep???

[righteousdude2]

I will be the first to tell you all that Trump is at time very disappointing. Many of his actions, especially tweets and comments are troublesome, BUT, is he completely and totally to BLAME for Charlottesville. Both prior to the event, during the event and after the event?

While I am being honest with you, I'll also tell you that when we elected our first black president, I saw two scenarios coming forth. One was the good that this man could do in bringing together white and black America; the other scenario was Obama dividing the country and make the gap between blacks and whites even wider.

With that said, history will show the actual truths as to what is behind this recent flare up of racial tensions in America. Personally, I believe way too many Americans looked at the racial tensions and movement and new views that came out of the sixties felt that was the beginning of new relations in America. The melting pot was going to move forward without ever boiling over again. And now, with racial tensions at a fever pitch in our country, the bubble of a social, cultural "kum ba yah" has burst, and it seems that all that hard work in the sixties has come full circle and EVERYONE is in a full panic, IMHO.

So, with that said, where should the blame for what is happening here in America, right here and now, be placed? Was it Obama's cavalier attitude with personal bias towards several flash points like Ferguson, and New York? Is it Trump's failure to be presidential, and his lack of knowledge in the arena of politics? Or should the blame be laid at the lack of this nation's leaders to enforce immigration laws that are on the books, or their failure to pass new, more modern immigration laws?

Who and what do you see as being at the center of this flare up?

 

[church mouse guy]

What did the White House have to do with this? No matter what Trump said or did, the Democrats were going to criticize him in execution of Democrat political strategy on a daily basis.

 

[Adonia]

No blame for President Trump. The blame for the Charlottesville violence follows this order: 1. The local Democrat authorities who did not have enough law enforcement available when they knew that violence could erupt. 2. The Antifa/Leftist crowd. The had no permit to counter-demonstrate, they should not have been there at all. 3. Governor McAwlful, who did nothing but inflame the situation with his rhetoric and lies. 4. The media who made things worse with their false reporting by trying to pin everything on the vile white supremacists who had the legal right as per the permit that was issued to them by the appropriate authorities to demonstrate.

 

[kyredneck]

So, with that said, where should the blame for what is happening here in America, right here and now, be placed?

The ruling elite that both fears and hates Trump.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The had no permit to counter-demonstrate, they should not have been there at all.

2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approval | Insurance | Common Law

 

[Adonia]

2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approval | Insurance | Common Law

Yeah, Unity and Love - with clubs and masks.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The local Democrat authorities who did not have enough law enforcement available when they knew that violence could erupt.

Law enforcement is definitely a tricky issue in this situation, especially if protesters are bringing semi-automatic weapons and armed to the teeth and police are armed with riot gear and trained not to use deadly force in this situation. There needs to be a way to prevent protesters from bringing these kinds of weapons to what is supposedly a peaceful protest. This is a disaster waiting to happen.


The First and Second Amendments Clashed in Charlottesville. The Guns Won.

Charlottesville proves that this issue is hardly theoretical anymore. In his order, Conrad chose to exclude from his First Amendment analysis the very strong possibility that demonstrators would carry weapons. (The city police warned the court that hundreds of protesters would bring firearms and that militia members would be in attendance.) But, ironically, by protecting the free speech rights of the white supremacists, Conrad may have ultimately suppressed speech by ensuring an armed confrontation between the neo-Nazis and the counter-protesters would break out and that police would be powerless to stop it until blood was spilled. Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe later claimed that the militia members “had better equipment than our State Police”—and that their weapons prevented law enforcement from imposing order and protecting peaceful protesters. While we don’t yet know the full details of what happened or how, the governor’s statement suggested that the presence of large quantities of lethal guns had in fact effectively silenced the many people who’d assembled to peacefully express their opposition to racism.

 

[Revmitchell]

Law enforcement is definitely a tricky issue in this situation, especially if protesters are bringing semi-automatic weapons and armed to the teeth and police are armed with riot gear and trained not to use deadly force in this situation..

No such monster exists in the US

 

[Gold Dragon]

No such monster exists in the US

Militia leaders who descended on Charlottesville condemn 'rightwing lunatics'

Who were the armed, camouflaged men in Charlottesville who have nothing to do with the military?

Apparently these militia men came to protect free speech and were trying to keep the demonstrations peaceful and claimed not to be on any particular side.

“We spoke to the Charlottesville police department beforehand and offered to come down there and help with security,” Yingling told the Guardian.

“They said: ‘We cannot invite you in an official capacity, but you are welcome to attend,’ and they gave us an escort into the event,” he added.

I can see the value in that if true. There are a few concerns including accountability and being imitated by violent protestors who realize they can do the same.

 

[carpro]

Obama is more to blame than Trump. Many of his statements and actions were overtly racist and intended to divide and destroy the cohesiveness of the nation.

Not so with this president.

Sorry to see so called Christians here being used by George Soros and taking up his banner of hate and lies to get rid of Trump just like the evil racist thugs of BLM and Antifa.

It's all part of the plan to derail his presidency.