Hunt , Lee and Grudem

Rippon???

Are you trying to tell us something??? or is there some sort of sublinial message here???:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Blackbird

 

Hey Rippon, why don't you just give us a list of which books by which authoers we have your permission to read!

 

I know about Hunt's problem, but can you enlighten me on the problems with Lee and Grudem? That way I dont' have to actually do the research myself.

 

Would you recommend reading any book by anybody who is not a 5-point Calvinist?

 

I thought Treasure Island was pretty cool.

Grudem is brilliant and he argues his point. If you're educated, read his arguments and judge them. If you aren't, then find someone you respect and believe what he tells you.

I get very bored with authors who don't believe something. "Mild mannered men speaking to mild mannered men, encouraging them to be more mild mannered." I'd rather read a Calvinist claiming that I'm going to Hell than a wimp who says "both sides are true and the truth lies somewhere in between :love2: "

And I rather see a genius like Grudem running some translation through the disposal than someone who claims...well, I won't get into that.

 

I have benefitted greatly from Grudem's Systematic Theology book. He does argue his positions in the book, but he does so graciously. The book is also well organized and written so that the layman can understand. It also has hymns or choruses at the end of each chapter giving it a worhsipful feel and not just a dry theology book. I highly recommend it.

 

I recently read The TNIV and the Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy by Wayne Grudem and Vern Poythress and found it to be a well written and thoughful presentation of the gender-neutral issues surrounding the TNIV.

While I may not fully agree with ALL of his concerns he certainly presents his point well.

Axe to grind, or firmly convinced about his stand? ...either way you will need to interact with his ideas.

Guttural reactions or warnings (such as in the opening post) will more often draw me to read an author in order to try to see his side of the issue.
Book burnings are so passe. :tongue3:

Rob

 

And what if D. A. Carson is wrong?

Dobson is not a translator, so he has to listen carefully, decide, and face the consequences for his decision, as must all who don't know the languages. Mob instinct against it? What do we say about the uneducated people who like the translation? Fact is, mob instinct is just what folks do when they believe something is wrong and harmful.

And if the TNIV is, indeed, wrong and harmful, then you can hardly fault its detractors (for the most part) for acting as they do. In fact, if it is, indeed, wrong and harmful, YOUR writings here qualify for the kinds of condemnations you've uttered.

And as for Lee, I see three possibilities regarding his position against Baptists: (1) despite all those degrees, he never got around to reading Baptist history; (2) he's read it, but chooses to lie about it; or (3) he has some arguments for his position that would surprise us. Since the last is the most likely, I probably need to look him up. I might learn something.

 

Hear, hear! :thumbs:

 

He's a brother in Christ, whether you like him or not.

 

There are more worthwhile pursuits than sitting at this computer and irritating people, too; but it's still fun. :type:

 

Rippon writes:

C'mon Rippon, although I'm not particularly interested in any 'version debate' for the most part, get yo' facts straight! And I'd add, with a little less pejorative comments.

You are certainly welcome to "like" (I don't dislike, and sometimes cite/quote the HCSB, lest any misunderstand) the HCSB. But how in the world can you make the comment that the afore mentioned versions of the HCSB and ESV "were brought out to combat what were perceived as the great evils of the TNIV."

Sounds a little like "theological rope pushing" to me, with the TNIV® © 2001, 2005 and since the HCSB is/was first © 1999, again 2000, 2002, 2003, it obviously predates the one it supposedly was brought out to combat. Obviously a "pre-emptive strike", here??? The ESV likewise is © 2001, so it would appear that some "fast translatin" musta' been done since the year is the same for TNIV and ESV.

As to the ESV (© 2001) being "among older English versions", every suit I own, some shoes and a third of my shirts and slacks are older than that. And they are not worn out, either! (Granted, as a farmer, I don't wear them a lot.) If 2001 qualifies as "older", my own NKJV (© 1982) must be Reformation vintage, the NASB (first © 1960) started out in the Middle Ages, (although its ten time © renewal through 1995 moves it at least into the mid 19th century, I guess), and I would say poor old Ed Edwards, with his frequent cites of an authentic 1611 spelling of the KJV, Bishop's Bible, and Geneva Bible must be livin' still plumb back in the Stone Age!

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FTR, I have not read anything by Hunt, Lee, or Gruden, save for a brief glance a few years ago at a Hunt book.

Ed

 

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Ed

 

Great post Ed Sutton and JoJ.