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Hydroxychloroquine Wars - Doctors Suing NV Governor

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Calminian

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Amazing things happen with politics infiltrate medicine. A governor (several I've heard) banned doctors from prescribing a drug Trump likes. There is now a lawsuit.

Nevada’s osteopaths sue Sisolak over limits on drugs to treat COVID-19
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Nevada’s osteopaths filed a lawsuit Tuesday asking Gov. Steve Sisolak and other state officials to lift a ban on the routine prescribing of two anti-malarial drugs to treat COVID-19.

“The practice of medicine is a right, and they’ve taken that away, and they’ve given it to the pharmacy board and the governor,” said Reno attorney Joey Gilbert, who filed the suit. “A doctor is in the best position to make that judgment call when a person is in that critical stage of care.”​

Props to Laura Ingraham. She's quickly becoming my fav. Here's today's show.

7:17 mark she and a guest destroy the phony study that supposedly exposing the dangers of HCQ.

23:35 she interviews the Osteopath and his Lawyer. They say, unequivocally, the Governor is killing patients.

 
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Scott Downey

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How hydroxychloroquine toes the line between promise and 'happy talk' in the coronavirus fight

FDA has ruled it not safe nor effective. Novartis though says it works.
Why do they play political gamesmanship with our health, must be for monetary or political reasons.
Simply it tells me you can not trust some people, and we see that also in everyday life dont we. Some people are enemies of the truth, some fiercer than others, you can tell by the things they say and oppose often for personal reasons. One of the fruits of the flesh is contentions, which would be holding a contention for something against the truth. The Fruits of the flesh is what worldly people do everyday.
 
Gold Dragon

Gold Dragon

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Scott Downey said:
Infectious disease expert slams study that panned hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 treatment: 'It's a sham'

The chloroquine study on veterans in the usa that showed no benefit and which chloroquine opponents and Trump haters are using on their nightly news shows is fatally flawed. It is not a study at all, not peer reviewed, opthamologist wrote it up who saw no covid patients..
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2.full.pdf

Here is the actual study which is still being peer reviewed. It is also not a randomized control trial so we will still be waiting for better data. It is a retrospective study with a control group which is a step up in terms of quality of evidence compared to what we had before which was anecdotal cases or studies with no control group. Still we need to wait for randomized control trials but this should temper expectation of the results of those trials.

It is concerning that not only was there no benefit found but an increased rate of mortality and need for ventilation. His speciality has no impact on his ability to write a retrospective study and do a proper analysis of the data.

Additionally the chloroquine arm in a brazil study was halted because of increased deaths from prolonged QT and a deadly arrythmia (probably VT from torsades)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/chloroquine-study-coronavirus-brazil

Both very disappointing findings. However there are randomized control trials coming around the corner so they may change the picture.
 
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Calminian

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Gold Dragon said:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v2.full.pdf

Here is the actual study which is still being peer reviewed. It is also not a randomized control trial so we will still be waiting for better data. It is a retrospective study with a control group which is a step up in terms of quality of evidence compared to what we had before which was anecdotal cases or studies with no control group. Still we need to wait for randomized control trials but this should temper expectation of the results of those trials.

It is concerning that not only was there no benefit found but an increased rate of mortality and need for ventilation. His speciality has no impact on his ability to write a retrospective study and do a proper analysis of the data.

Additionally the chloroquine arm in a brazil study was halted because of increased deaths from prolonged QT and a deadly arrythmia (probably VT from torsades)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/chloroquine-study-coronavirus-brazil

Both very disappointing findings. However there are randomized control trials coming around the corner so they may change the picture.
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Figured GD would push this sham study. Watch the vid. at the 7:17 mark.


Political doctors are dangerous.
 
Gold Dragon

Gold Dragon

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Calminian said:
Figured GD would push this sham study. Watch the vid. at the 7:17 mark.

Political doctors are dangerous.
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Unlike politically motivated doctors who decide trash or support a study based on whether the outcome supports their political view, I am interested in all data pro and con.

The way we evaluate how useful a study is, is by looking at its methodology.

Here is what is authors say about its own study which acknowledge its limitations. Like me, they await more robust randomized control trials for more definitive answers.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

Our study has certain limitations including those inherent to all retrospective analyses such as non-randomization of treatments. We did, however adjust for a large number of Covid- 19-relevant confounders including comorbidities, medications, clinical and laboratory abnormalities. Despite propensity score adjustment for a large number of relevant confounders, we cannot rule out the possibility of selection bias or residual confounding.
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Data from ongoing, randomized controlled studies will prove informative when they emerge. Until then, the findings from this retrospective study suggest caution in using hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized Covid-19 patients, particularly when not combined with azithromycin.
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