Somewhere I read about stuff like this happening in the last days. And, with all this "there is no truth" "everything is relative" stuff overwhelming schools, colleges, universities, and not a few off-the-wall church groups, I'm not surprised that "some" support her. Whoope. They have their reward.
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"I am both Muslim and Christian"
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BobRyan
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PastorSBC1303 said:
Wow - fascinating article. Makes perfect sense!
I ask the objective reader to pay attention to the salient points in the link.
A few key ones come to mind
Question: What do Episcopalians teach as "The most basic level" of fact that is actually true and reliable "in detail" when reading scripture?
Question - what Do Episcopalians teach that would allow for this level of "flexibility" in understanding the Christian faith EVEN if the person teaching was not inclined to be Muslim?
Question: What do you suppose is the "orthodox standard" view of the accuracy and believability of the NT text at Seattle University?
Answer: The Bible at it's most basic level is not factually true in detail but is true "in general principle" in that it is culturally and emotionally "uplifting" to the human spirit.
Throw out Genesis creation, fall, flood, Babel... stories since they are not factually accurate in their details - accept them as cultural myths that teach a more general yet basic spiritual moral.
Throw out any and all miracles found in places like the book of Acts since they are not historical truth - but rather historical myth designed to address cultural and spiritual needs of the human spirit. Declare that the "Fact" that IS reliable and true is that these writings are "culturally significant literary works" allegory used to teach a basic general morality and principle. The only real question for them when reading that kind of liturature is "What MOVES you"? A painting, a poem, a curious reading from the NT?.
(Remember no respected humanist, agnostic, or atheist-darwinist-believing historian is going to accept the accounts of miracles in the book of Acts or NT writings as "factually accurate" in details).
(Note how similar this "what moves you" lingering motivator is to some of the pro-RC testimonies we have seen on this thread? How similar is the current RC view of scripture to the Episcopalian view of the accuracy in scripture? hmmmm)
Given this as the "starting position" for many Episcopalian clergy - what GAP is left when bridging that watered-down downsized view of the Word of God to Islam??
How much WORSE of a hatchet job COULD Islam possibly be doing to scripture??
Think about it!!
in Christ,
Bob
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She is a heretic and needs our prayers. The Bishop of Washington should fire her and she should return to the pews until she knows better.
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mcdirector
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I sent this to my Lutheran friend yesterday. Her first queston was the same as mine -- why hasn't she been defrocked?
15 months is a long time for her church to look the other way? Why hasn't someone in her congregation pitched a fit? Why does she still have a congregation?
15 months is a long time for her church to look the other way? Why hasn't someone in her congregation pitched a fit? Why does she still have a congregation?
By way of answer, here's a piece of liturgy to explain How the Anglican Communion Works:-
Bishop of Washington (for it is he): Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today in the presence of Almighty God [or here he may say "Allah" depending on which way the wind's blowing] to remember the theologically confused, the Christologically heteredox and the downright heretical of this Diocese.
All: You're not kidding, mate!
Bishop[Greeting]: There's something wrong with this minister
All: And also with you
[A Redding (surely 'reading'?) shall then be taken from the pulpit and be defrocked and returned to the pews in civvies. Or she may not...]
Bishop: It's all a bit complicated really, I'm rather old and silly and I'm about to retire, and I expect my predecessor will be a bit more robust about this sort of thing.
All: Thanks be to God
Bishop of Washington (for it is he): Dearly Beloved, we are gathered here today in the presence of Almighty God [or here he may say "Allah" depending on which way the wind's blowing] to remember the theologically confused, the Christologically heteredox and the downright heretical of this Diocese.
All: You're not kidding, mate!
Bishop[Greeting]: There's something wrong with this minister
All: And also with you
[A Redding (surely 'reading'?) shall then be taken from the pulpit and be defrocked and returned to the pews in civvies. Or she may not...]
Bishop: It's all a bit complicated really, I'm rather old and silly and I'm about to retire, and I expect my predecessor will be a bit more robust about this sort of thing.
All: Thanks be to God
mcdirector
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Matt Black said:
Well, heaven help us!
Well, rather like Treebeard in Lord of the Rings, we Anglicans don't do anything 'hastily'
mcdirector
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Matt Black said:
Ha! Obviously
I kindof like old Treebeard, but in this case . . .
BobRyan
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It is EASY to spin this around with blinders on to "hey one Episcopalian priest has a problem".
But consider that what is being done is in fact a LOGICAL outcome built upon prior steps ALL being taken by Christains today and many of them being taken by Christians on this board!
But consider that what is being done is in fact a LOGICAL outcome built upon prior steps ALL being taken by Christains today and many of them being taken by Christians on this board!
2 Timothy2:1-4
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She may be a Muslim but she isn't a Christian. And unless she repents she will stand before the One True And Living God just before He sends her to her god. May God have mercy on her.
BobRyan
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If you read the article carefully you will find that BEFORE she became Muslim the Islamic religious leaders where invited to her church several times to teach and to lead out in prayers.
You will also find that the Episcopal leadership was interviewed and was not opposed to her position. Although it is easy to target this one priest as though SHE is the problem - it simply is not the case.
In the teaching institutions of many liberal denominations Christianity itself is experiencing a meltdown at the basic doctrinal level where the Bible is no longer accepted as a reliable trustworthy source.
That is true with atheist-darwinism vs the Genesis account for the origin of all life on earth.
That true with almost all other OT accounts that involve miracles and that is true with the vast majority of NT accounts involving miracles.
The "it could be" and "some scholar's believe" arguments have taken over the liberal denominations so that in that context - finding this bridge to Islam is not at all unnexpected.
in Christ,
Bob
You will also find that the Episcopal leadership was interviewed and was not opposed to her position. Although it is easy to target this one priest as though SHE is the problem - it simply is not the case.
In the teaching institutions of many liberal denominations Christianity itself is experiencing a meltdown at the basic doctrinal level where the Bible is no longer accepted as a reliable trustworthy source.
That is true with atheist-darwinism vs the Genesis account for the origin of all life on earth.
That true with almost all other OT accounts that involve miracles and that is true with the vast majority of NT accounts involving miracles.
The "it could be" and "some scholar's believe" arguments have taken over the liberal denominations so that in that context - finding this bridge to Islam is not at all unnexpected.
in Christ,
Bob