"I am neither a calvinist nor arminian"

Posting Rule #5. No trolling. Trolling consists of provoking large volumes of responses by posting absurdities, deliberately offensive insults, etc.
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This is about as absurd as they come.

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• Calvinism and Arminianism are not terms denoting who you follow, but how you are classified.
  And who decided this? God? Can you show me John Calvin's name in the Bible?</font>
• I have read non-Calvinists say. But they prove their own ignorance by making such a statement.
  Be careful who you call a fool or ignorant!</font>
• There is a barren wasteland between the classifications of Calvinist and Arminian theology. You are either entirely one, or the other to a certain degree. You cannot be 'neither.'
  But you can agree with some of BOTH teachings! Unfortunately, that's not good enough for Calvinists!</font>
• You are either a proponent of 5 point Calvinism, or your lean towards the other end of the spectrum.
  So the 'Calvinists' who are not 5 pointers are what? </font>
• Keep denying it. You make yourself very obvious when you do.
  Obvious WHAT?
  
  If you're questioning the salvation of board members based on their following the teachings of John Calvin, I'll be more than happy to take this to the moderator forum. </font>

 

Whetstone is indeed correct here, and this does not appear to be addressed by rule 5.

The bottom line, as I have pointed out before, is that you either believe God elects people to salvation without respect for anything other than his own purposes (Calvinist) or you don't (arminian). I am a biblicist. I don't follow the creeds of men. I have no use for the logical constructs that contradict Scripture. I need only Christ and only Scripture, and for that reason, I am a Calvinist.

 

Again... obviously what?

 

oh my goodness

 

So if I believe everything Arminian except that one can not lose their salvation, what am I classified? An Arminialvist? My Savior classifies me as His child! Who cares what other people think.

 

I'm not so sure Calvinism/Arminianism is "either/or". I know I disagree with certain aspects of Calvinism (I'm definitely not a 5-pointer), but how many "points" do you need before you're a "Calvinist"? How many can you question before you're not? And is "Arminian" the only alternative? What if someone doesn't agree with (or even know) everything Arminius taught?

I do not believe it is either/or. At the very least, there is a spectrum (as the original poster even admitted!), and on that spectrum might not even be the only place to be.

 

Follow up: Calvin and Arminius lived in the 1500s. Were people classified as "Calvinists" or "Arminians" before then? I sincerely doubt it.

 

What a load of hogwash, Larry. You guys who claim to be just "Christians" are really first "Calvinists". You keep on arguing for the unbiblical nonsense of Limited Atonement, and then say that you don't follow "creeds of men". What then do you think the "5 points of calvinism" are then, if not unbiblical teachings by men who were more interested in their on glory, than that of God. For these "Reformers", by their warped understanding of the love of Jesus Christ for the lost human race, gave us so much nonsense that has caused millions to follow their errors, rather than the Word of God.

 

I am neither a calvinist nor arminian!

 

Talk about absurdities! "how you are classified"? According to who's standard?

God cares nothing about your absurd classifications, He's got his own, Believer and Unbeliever. That is what he judges man's eternal life by!

Keep your petty, meaningless, absurd, classifications to yourself. What a waste they are!

 

...proving my thesis very well thank you. </font>[/QUOTE]which has absolutely proved nothing...

I believe what I believe, calvinists have some valid points as do the arminianists, but I believe they both are also wrong on some points. So am I both or neither? Your thesis is based on your pre-determined beliefs, so it is more of an accusation than a thesis, which in my opinion proves absolutely nothing!

I find it laughable that you equate saying "I am neither a calvinist nor arminian" with saying "I am neither a Christian nor a non-Christian!" Are you hinting that those who are arminians are non-Christians?

 

This debate is about as dumb as KJVO vs other versions. None of these 'persons or things' were around when scripture was penned.

Romans 14:1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God." 12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way.

 

So God couldn't make it clear enough so He had to use John Calvin since scripture and the saints of old couldn't explain it? Sounds like John Calvin is somebody's 'prophet'.

Romans 2:11 There is no favoritism with God.

Guess that means it doesn't matter WHAT you call us.