I have a question

[percho]

in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, Titus 1:2 MKJV
knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 1 Peter 1:18-20 NKJV

Before the foundation of the world, was that promise made for those who would be sinners, those with blemish and spot, or for the one who would become obedient unto death, yet without sin?

Who did God appoint the heir of all things?

Did the heir, inherit the promised hope? Rom 6:9 Acts 13:34 Are we who have been given the Holy Spirit now heirs of the same hope? Titus 3:6,7 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[JonC]

in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, Titus 1:2 MKJV
knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 1 Peter 1:18-20 NKJV

Before the foundation of the world, was that promise made for those who would be sinners, those with blemish and spot, or for the one who would become obedient unto death, yet without sin?

Who did God appoint the heir of all things?

Did the heir, inherit the promised hope? Rom 6:9 Acts 13:34 Are we who have been given the Holy Spirit now heirs of the same hope? Titus 3:6,7 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Christ and through Christ those who have been justified by grace.

 

[percho]

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:2

in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, Titus 1:2 NKJV

Did the heir (of Heb 1:2), inherit the promised hope (eternal life)? See Rom 6:9 Acts 13:34

Is inherit, time specific?

by inheritance obtained a more excellent name

Was that time specific?

 

[Van]

To whom did God promise eternal life before creation? Was it not God the Father's promise to God the Son. Except for the Holy Spirit, no one else existed.

 

[Reformed1689]

To whom did God promise eternal life before creation? Was it not God the Father's promise to God the Son. Except for the Holy Spirit, no one else existed.

God is not bound by time. Before the creation of the world he foreordained who would be elect unto salvation.

 

[Van]

Yes, davidtaylorjr, that assertion is widely held. I think it is fiction, and no support for it can be found in scripture. I think God's redemption plan was to redeem those who fully trust in Christ, and that requirement is what was "foreordained" as part of God's predetermined plan. No one existed before creation, so the only two "persons" who could be promised are the other two persons of the Trinity.
Time travel theology is simply a way to nullify the reality presented in scripture IMHO.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes, davidtaylorjr, that assertion is widely held. I think it is fiction, and no support for it can be found in scripture. I think God's redemption plan was to redeem those who fully trust in Christ, and that requirement is what was "foreordained" as part of God's predetermined plan. No one existed before creation, so the only two "persons" who could be promised are the other two persons of the Trinity.
Time travel theology is simply a way to nullify the reality presented in scripture IMHO.

Why would a promise of eternal life be made to someone who already has eternal life? That makes no sense.

 

[Van]

The promise to Christ was that His sacrifice as the Lamb of God, would provide eternal life to all those who believe. As I see it, that is the only way a promise of eternal life before creation makes sense.

 

[37818]

Is inherit, time specific?

Of course. Else it would be an uncaused possession.

 

[MB]

God is not bound by time. Before the creation of the world he foreordained who would be elect unto salvation.

Christ was fore ordained;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
As far as scripture goes Christ was the only one who was foreordained. There is no foreordained elect. If you believe this is wrong show scripture for it.
MB

 

[loDebar]

Creation of the physical was not the beginning of everything. Heaven existed apart from the physical

 

[Van]

Hi davidtaylorjr, does the passage of "time" occur in heaven? Yes. Perhaps not "physical time" created when God created the heavens and the earth, but lets call it "spiritual time" that the spirits in heaven experience. See Revelation 6:11 where spirits in heaven will be aware of the passage of time.

 

[Reformed1689]

Hi davidtaylorjr, does the passage of "time" occur in heaven? Yes. Perhaps not "physical time" created when God created the heavens and the earth, but lets call it "spiritual time" that the spirits in heaven experience. See Revelation 6:11 where spirits in heaven will be aware of the passage of time.

Didn't know I had suggested otherwise. What I did say was that God is not bound by time.

 

[Van]

There is a difference between what God might do and what scripture says He did. To invalidate the sequence given in scripture based on what God could have done is without merit, IMHO.

 

[percho]

Why would a promise of eternal life be made to someone who already has eternal life? That makes no sense.

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; Titus 1:2
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 1 Peter 1:18-20 ------- Blood? Why blood? What is in the blood that counts for the atonement of the soul?

For the life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Lev 17:11 ------ The blood is where the life/soul was of Jesus, the Son of God. Jesus poured out his soul unto death, as a ransom.

Jesus was dead. Death had dominion over him for three days and three nights. If Jesus remained dead, all would still be in their sins and without, hope of eternal life. 1 Cor 15:And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

At the resurrection,, the Son who God had appointed heir of all things, inherited the promise, eternal life. He became the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen, Faith. Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.